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No Handshake? No Swiss Citizenship!
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How drastically draconian of the liberal-minded Swiss!
Good to see they’re not bending to the right-on fascists, eh?
How drastically draconian of the liberal-minded Swiss!
Good to see they’re not bending to the right-on fascists, eh?
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""The constitution and equality between men and women prevails over bigotry," said Pierre-Antoine Hilbrand, who was part of the commission that interviewed the couple"
Fresh alpine air blowing through.
Doubtless they'll appear in a less demanding society and carry on with their ways, fully supported by people who should know better.
Fresh alpine air blowing through.
Doubtless they'll appear in a less demanding society and carry on with their ways, fully supported by people who should know better.
"Within the article ( and that's only what has been made public) there was more to this than not shaking hands."
Yes that seems evident. But the refusal to shake hands would, in my view, be sufficient to deny the applicants their request.
What I find very odd about this (and similar episodes) is that nobody seems willing to explain to these people that refusing to shake a proffered hand is quite an insulting and offensive thing to do. It's all about THEIR sensitivities, THEIR religious proclivities, THEIR feelings. No thought is given to the person who offers his or her hand and is snubbed.
To get down to basics,shaking somebody's hand is not going to kill them. If they worry that much about uncleanliness they can swiftly disappear to the nearest ladies/gents/gender neutral washroom and have a brisk rub down with a wire brush and some Jeyes Fluid. I'm sure nobody would mind (though they may smell a bit odd on the tube home). They are in a country where refusing to shake hands is insulting and offensive. They clearly don't mind offending people with whom they have dealings so long as their requirements are met.
When I travel to a foreign country I try to comply with the customs and habits that prevail there. Many of them seem daft or without foundation, but I comply because they are my hosts' rules. I don't set out to insult them by doing something that is clearly offensive to them. Why should anybody coming to Europe be allowed or even encouraged to behave in an offensive manner just because "it's their religion" (which it often isn't)?
Yes that seems evident. But the refusal to shake hands would, in my view, be sufficient to deny the applicants their request.
What I find very odd about this (and similar episodes) is that nobody seems willing to explain to these people that refusing to shake a proffered hand is quite an insulting and offensive thing to do. It's all about THEIR sensitivities, THEIR religious proclivities, THEIR feelings. No thought is given to the person who offers his or her hand and is snubbed.
To get down to basics,shaking somebody's hand is not going to kill them. If they worry that much about uncleanliness they can swiftly disappear to the nearest ladies/gents/gender neutral washroom and have a brisk rub down with a wire brush and some Jeyes Fluid. I'm sure nobody would mind (though they may smell a bit odd on the tube home). They are in a country where refusing to shake hands is insulting and offensive. They clearly don't mind offending people with whom they have dealings so long as their requirements are met.
When I travel to a foreign country I try to comply with the customs and habits that prevail there. Many of them seem daft or without foundation, but I comply because they are my hosts' rules. I don't set out to insult them by doing something that is clearly offensive to them. Why should anybody coming to Europe be allowed or even encouraged to behave in an offensive manner just because "it's their religion" (which it often isn't)?
"What I find very odd about this (and similar episodes) is that nobody seems willing to explain to these people that refusing to shake a proffered hand is quite an insulting and offensive thing to do. It's all about THEIR sensitivities, THEIR religious proclivities, THEIR feelings. No thought is given to the person who offers his or her hand and is snubbed. "
errrr havent the swiss done just that?
errrr havent the swiss done just that?
It would indeed be pleasant if everyone openly accepted the culture of where they had decided to settle however as evidenced on the previous thread about the lady in Sweden there are a few here who aren't over keen on physical contact with strangers.
Barriers may be nibbled away at over the years but as I said to get hung up on the handshake is shortsighted, whatever else went on in this case the Swiss has the call to who gets citizenship or not.
Barriers may be nibbled away at over the years but as I said to get hung up on the handshake is shortsighted, whatever else went on in this case the Swiss has the call to who gets citizenship or not.
Yes, OK, woof - but you wouldn't even dream of moving to France, for example, where social kissing is expected and to draw back is an insult. You have more sense and know it would be a big problem for you. I was called a 'bigot' on the other thread for saying that you should abide by the customs of the country you move to.
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