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Kandro, you’ll never convince Gromit, Gulliver and the rest that Nigel Farage has any influence. They can’t cope or compute that you don’t need to be swanning around Westminster as an MP to get your political agenda through. Nigel has political clout without being a Westminster MP and they simply don’t like it and will say it was BoJo and the MP...
07:06 Wed 12th Sep 2018
You have to bear in mind, Gulliver, that Brexit should not be judged on purely economic terms. I don’t suppose you will read beyond my first few lines because, from past experience, long posts seem to be too much for you. You seem to prefer a few sensationalist soundbites and hope everybody sits up to take note before moving on. But in case you have five minutes to spare us, the threats you suggest are Brexit related are not entirely as you make out. For example, Jaguar Land Rover:
"Britain’s biggest car manufacturer, Jaguar Land Rover, is to transfer all production of its Land Rover Discovery model from the West Midlands to a plant in Slovakia, potentially putting hundreds of jobs at risk. A spokesman for JLR said the Slovakian plant had been developed over several years and the latest move was unconnected to the Brexit issue."
On Cadburys:
“Cadbury will once again craft all of its flagship Dairy Milk bars in the UK after moving some of its production to Poland last year. The world famous British brand’s owner, Mondolez, has invested £75million in its historic factory in Bournville to ensure their signature chocolate bars will be made in the West Midlands village.”
[This announcement was made in April 2017, fully ten months after the referendum. The transfer to Poland – which was being reversed – actually took place before the referendum, indicating that neither move had anything to do with Brexit]
On “The banking industry to relocate to the EU”
The UK’s biggest international banks are set to move fewer than 4,600 jobs from London in preparation for Brexit — just 6 per cent of their total workforce in the financial centre — according to Financial Times research. The FT analysis contrasts with consultants’ original claims that tens of thousands of jobs could move from London after Brexit. An EY study this week claimed 10,500 could leave on “day one”. The FT estimates are based on public statements by 15 of the UK’s biggest international institutions, interviews of more than a dozen senior bank executives about Brexit planning and industry benchmarks.”
So at the very least, if you must cite supposed threats to the nation’s economy, have the decency to do a bit of basic research first. Not everybody simply accepts what you say is necessarily true.
However, even if the jeopardies you mention transpire to be correct (by no means a certainty as I point out above) far too much emphasis has been placed on the economic impact of Brexit. There's far more to it than that. On purely economic terms, the UK would have been foolish in the extreme to have engaged in World War Two. It bankrupted the nation. Was that a good reason to say "Well, we'd better nor get involved. The cost is far too great". I think not. So it is with Brexit. It is a long term strategy that will see this country benefit enormously and any short term disruption (which is described as a “catastrophe” or “suicide” but is nothing of the sort) is the price that must be paid for allowing this country to become so enmeshed with that wretched organisation.
"Britain’s biggest car manufacturer, Jaguar Land Rover, is to transfer all production of its Land Rover Discovery model from the West Midlands to a plant in Slovakia, potentially putting hundreds of jobs at risk. A spokesman for JLR said the Slovakian plant had been developed over several years and the latest move was unconnected to the Brexit issue."
On Cadburys:
“Cadbury will once again craft all of its flagship Dairy Milk bars in the UK after moving some of its production to Poland last year. The world famous British brand’s owner, Mondolez, has invested £75million in its historic factory in Bournville to ensure their signature chocolate bars will be made in the West Midlands village.”
[This announcement was made in April 2017, fully ten months after the referendum. The transfer to Poland – which was being reversed – actually took place before the referendum, indicating that neither move had anything to do with Brexit]
On “The banking industry to relocate to the EU”
The UK’s biggest international banks are set to move fewer than 4,600 jobs from London in preparation for Brexit — just 6 per cent of their total workforce in the financial centre — according to Financial Times research. The FT analysis contrasts with consultants’ original claims that tens of thousands of jobs could move from London after Brexit. An EY study this week claimed 10,500 could leave on “day one”. The FT estimates are based on public statements by 15 of the UK’s biggest international institutions, interviews of more than a dozen senior bank executives about Brexit planning and industry benchmarks.”
So at the very least, if you must cite supposed threats to the nation’s economy, have the decency to do a bit of basic research first. Not everybody simply accepts what you say is necessarily true.
However, even if the jeopardies you mention transpire to be correct (by no means a certainty as I point out above) far too much emphasis has been placed on the economic impact of Brexit. There's far more to it than that. On purely economic terms, the UK would have been foolish in the extreme to have engaged in World War Two. It bankrupted the nation. Was that a good reason to say "Well, we'd better nor get involved. The cost is far too great". I think not. So it is with Brexit. It is a long term strategy that will see this country benefit enormously and any short term disruption (which is described as a “catastrophe” or “suicide” but is nothing of the sort) is the price that must be paid for allowing this country to become so enmeshed with that wretched organisation.
Oh and Airbus put out to all their staff before Brexit that they may lose their jobs if we left.
Only a couple of months ago they again publicly said similar.
However the staff were told to ignore the second one as it was just bluster and ‘some member state heads’ (France, Germany) trying to force TM to capitulate and there was no intention to leave the country.
Panasonic are leaving with fewer than I think 20 job losses. Panasonic is a big worldwide company that remainers think matter. But obviously in the UK with only 20 people they are quite insignificant to Brexit.
Only a couple of months ago they again publicly said similar.
However the staff were told to ignore the second one as it was just bluster and ‘some member state heads’ (France, Germany) trying to force TM to capitulate and there was no intention to leave the country.
Panasonic are leaving with fewer than I think 20 job losses. Panasonic is a big worldwide company that remainers think matter. But obviously in the UK with only 20 people they are quite insignificant to Brexit.
"The sky is not going to fall in the day after just like it didnt [sic]after Y2K and other events. "
I mean, the reason Y2K ended up not being a problem was because people took the danger seriously and then acted to prevent it. The sky needn't fall in after "no deal" either -- but that would only be true if people take the threat seriously enough to prevent it.
I mean, the reason Y2K ended up not being a problem was because people took the danger seriously and then acted to prevent it. The sky needn't fall in after "no deal" either -- but that would only be true if people take the threat seriously enough to prevent it.
Yes I saw it in the press on Monday, Khandro. It was announced with the usual caveat that accompanies good news: "Despite Brexit". Quite why Brexit should stand in the way of a major company relocating to the UK is not very clear. Multinationals move about as circumstances suit them. It obviously suits Relax to locate here "Despite Brexit". But it never made the news in the same way that the departure of Unilever who are going to concentrate their business in the Netherlands (a move they've been mulling over for some time, long before the referendum) did.
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