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So How Does That Work Then ?
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re-nationalise an already nationalised service...
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Yes and this highlights something I have been trying to get through to people for years.
I commute daily, most of the problems are due to track/signalling issues nothing at all to do with the franchises. Nationalising them wont improve a thing since the problem part is already nationalised.
But that of course doesnt make a good story.
I commute daily, most of the problems are due to track/signalling issues nothing at all to do with the franchises. Nationalising them wont improve a thing since the problem part is already nationalised.
But that of course doesnt make a good story.
lazy reporting by the Express.
national rail is the industry ticket sales portal. http://
the nation's railway track is owned and operated by Network Rail.
national rail is the industry ticket sales portal. http://
the nation's railway track is owned and operated by Network Rail.
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Not strictly government owned/run then. So room for disagreement at least.
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Not strictly government owned/run then. So room for disagreement at least.
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Haven’t you been advocating Nationalisation of our Railways?
Apart from the politics, it is a very bad idea and will not result in the improvements that Corbyn and his ilk believe it will bring.
The present system is the best of both world. The important infrastructure work is done by a non-profit organisation. When the Railways were Privatised, it was the infrastructure part that was not being done and safety was compromised. That function needed to be taken off the privatised firm RailTrack. Safety has vastly improved since then.
In theory the franchising of routes to Private Operators is a good one. It falls down because the Government takes the highest bid without taking into account the reliability (financial as well as functional) of the operator. There are many well run routes, but also some notable failures.
Haven’t you been advocating Nationalisation of our Railways?
Apart from the politics, it is a very bad idea and will not result in the improvements that Corbyn and his ilk believe it will bring.
The present system is the best of both world. The important infrastructure work is done by a non-profit organisation. When the Railways were Privatised, it was the infrastructure part that was not being done and safety was compromised. That function needed to be taken off the privatised firm RailTrack. Safety has vastly improved since then.
In theory the franchising of routes to Private Operators is a good one. It falls down because the Government takes the highest bid without taking into account the reliability (financial as well as functional) of the operator. There are many well run routes, but also some notable failures.
yes gromit I am in favour of nationalisation of certain things in a certain way. Labour are proposing to steal these things back and make them like they were in the 60s/70s, massive public millstones. I agree that the railways should be nationalised but run as a proper business, not a lazy workers cooperative. What we have now is a complete mess, yes, created by the Tories to my eternal embarrassment. Even with the best of intentions Labour would end up in the bad old days. Why is McCluskey so buddy buddy with COB? because he hopes they will restore all the union power so they can once again hold the country to ransom, hence we'd be back to the madness of unfettered union power.
Don't see the present system as the best. When one allows individual companies to run the transport one either ends up with massive numbers of different prices for the same destination, making it a nightmare to get the best deal, or the alternative is a private monopoly over a route who then charges as high as possible. Getting a properly run publicly owned system that will charge the proper cost and ensure proper maintenance is surely best.
//In theory the franchising of routes to Private Operators is a good one. It falls down because the Government takes the highest bid without taking into account the reliability (financial as well as functional) of the operator. There are many well run routes, but also some notable failures. //
another "feature" of the current system is the way delays are attributed, and how compensation is paid as a result. the effect of that is to incentivise the train operators to prolong disruption when the cause is an infrastructure issue. that same incident (at Wembley) that delayed the Islington mafia getting back from Liverpool blocked the line for about 2 hours. yet cancellations and short-formed trains were still occurring well into the morning after.
bottom line - the strategy of rail operators for recovery from incidents is not geared to minimising disruption and inconvenience to rail users, but to maximise compensation payments from Network Rail.
another "feature" of the current system is the way delays are attributed, and how compensation is paid as a result. the effect of that is to incentivise the train operators to prolong disruption when the cause is an infrastructure issue. that same incident (at Wembley) that delayed the Islington mafia getting back from Liverpool blocked the line for about 2 hours. yet cancellations and short-formed trains were still occurring well into the morning after.
bottom line - the strategy of rail operators for recovery from incidents is not geared to minimising disruption and inconvenience to rail users, but to maximise compensation payments from Network Rail.
//This is the only country in the world that has a privatised rail network//
not entirely 10C. in the Netherlands, whilst most long distance services are operated by NS, concessions have been let to Arriva, Keolis, Breng and Connexxion to operate regional and commuter services. in addition, several international services are operated by NS International, which is a separate joint venture between NS and KLM. The infrastructure is owned by ProRail.
other EU nations have similar arrangements, eg in North-Rhine Westphalia, many local services are in the hands of private operators.
not entirely 10C. in the Netherlands, whilst most long distance services are operated by NS, concessions have been let to Arriva, Keolis, Breng and Connexxion to operate regional and commuter services. in addition, several international services are operated by NS International, which is a separate joint venture between NS and KLM. The infrastructure is owned by ProRail.
other EU nations have similar arrangements, eg in North-Rhine Westphalia, many local services are in the hands of private operators.
Yes, but it is the Nationalised bit that is ***.
"yet cancellations and short-formed trains were still occurring well into the morning after."
Although I dont doubt they play on it to be fair the same happens with aircraft. The vehicles are in the wrong place and cant get back quickly. Ofthen this is why services are cancelled to try and get it back on track so to speak.
The bottom line in my opinion based on my daily commutes is that the vast majority of issues are caused by Network Rail failures (signalling and track) with the next biggest being trespassers and jumpers. May well be different on other lines but this is my experience.
"yet cancellations and short-formed trains were still occurring well into the morning after."
Although I dont doubt they play on it to be fair the same happens with aircraft. The vehicles are in the wrong place and cant get back quickly. Ofthen this is why services are cancelled to try and get it back on track so to speak.
The bottom line in my opinion based on my daily commutes is that the vast majority of issues are caused by Network Rail failures (signalling and track) with the next biggest being trespassers and jumpers. May well be different on other lines but this is my experience.
TTT,
// What we have now is a complete mess, yes, created by the Tories to my eternal embarrassment. //
Actually it was created by the last Labour Government. National Rail is doing a far better job than the privatised RailTrack ever did.
The Tories are making a mess of the Franchising, but they are not really interested in providing a good service and more interested in the short term gain to the Exchequer.
// What we have now is a complete mess, yes, created by the Tories to my eternal embarrassment. //
Actually it was created by the last Labour Government. National Rail is doing a far better job than the privatised RailTrack ever did.
The Tories are making a mess of the Franchising, but they are not really interested in providing a good service and more interested in the short term gain to the Exchequer.
//you can use that ticket with any operator on that route. //
not necessarily. for example, there are 2 operators running trains from Euston, with through ticketing to Birmingham, Liverpool and Stoke, and all intermediate points. the more expensive tickets (eg anytime) are inter-available, but many are not. eg London to Liverpool off peak with Virgin, £85.00. journey time 2hr33. with LNW the same off peak fare is £26.00, but the journey takes an hour longer. neither ticket is available with the other operator.
not necessarily. for example, there are 2 operators running trains from Euston, with through ticketing to Birmingham, Liverpool and Stoke, and all intermediate points. the more expensive tickets (eg anytime) are inter-available, but many are not. eg London to Liverpool off peak with Virgin, £85.00. journey time 2hr33. with LNW the same off peak fare is £26.00, but the journey takes an hour longer. neither ticket is available with the other operator.
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