He Might Have Made A Little Effort...

[Spicerack]

To look like a lady, don't you think?

https://www.rt.com/news/441250-cyclist-transgender-champinship-wins/

[naomi24]

I guess it would be hereIam's business if she was sharing a changing room and showers with him.

[Cloverjo]

Going back to the OP, I don't think there's much she can do to look more like a lady. She has to wear a skinsuit and helmet, and get hot and sweaty. So no fancy hairdo or makeup.

[Spicerack]

It's the crux of the matter, Jim. Unlike other trans who've competed against women, this guy has had no surgery, and depending on the story one reads, no chemical treatment.
He appears to be taking trans politics to the next level, saying 'I'm a woman, deal with it'
I'm not entirely against him. Loud mouth wimmin's libbers will have to accept 'we're not all the same'.
Just got a feeling it will all end in tears.

[naomi24]

spicerack, //Loud mouth wimmin's libbers will have to accept 'we're not all the same'. //

I've never considered myself to be a women's libber - loud-mouthed or otherwise - but it seems to me that women do accept we're not all the same and they're saying so. He bears no resemblance whatsoever to a woman ... because he isn't one.

[Bigbad]

Nor will he ever be, naomi.
No matter how many bits he has chopped off.
Or added on.

[naomi24]

Indeed, Bigbad.

[SparklyKid]

Total madness. I am sick to death of this transgender ***.

[hereIam]

Just curious jim because he doesn't look like he has - that answer your question ??

Very good point naomi.

[jim360]

I assume that hereIam, like most people, doesn't make a habit of checking the genitalia of people they meet (except, perhaps, any sexual partners). I know I don't usually start off my conversations with strangers with "so you DO have a vagina then?", or variations thereof...

So yes, it's none of your business whether this athlete has a willy or not.

Ah, well, Sparkly, I'm sure you'll get used to it.

[hereIam]

Whatever jim, totally not bothered what you think.

[jim360]

Likewise, I'm sure.

Whilst I accept that sports can be a bit of a grey area, it is nevertheless at least important to listen to what trans athletes have to say. The motorsport athlete in the video I posted clearly faced some personal difficulties, and even considered leaving the sport altogether, so she, at least, will not have taken the decision to transition lightly or for cynical reasons. The same is true for most -- well, most people, really.

[hereIam]

Jolly good.

[naomi24]

Jim, like you, hereIam is not meeting this man. Nevertheless, he is hijacking her gender and in the process competing unfairly with women athletes. Therefore she is, in my opinion, entitled to ask questions.

[hereIam]

Actually jim you ARE bothered what I think hence your comments ... !

[Ellipsis]

This is another rehash of the sex vs gender debate. Sports should be based on sex, not gender. Cases like this should hardly crop up unless, like Caster Semenya, even the sex is "complicated."

It's not fair that other competitors are robbed of their chance of victory on a level playing field. Currently we're stuck using a system that was not designed for the issues that we now recognise, and that's what's creating the unfairness.

I agree with ludwig ...

> The only way to make this fair is to have more categories, a bit like the Paralympics

... the opposite alternative being to make literally everyone compete together - men, women, LGBTQ, disabled, everyone.
I think if I was the next Serena Williams I would not be too happy with that idea ...

[jim360]

It's sad, if typical, of AB, that transgender people are just viewed generally as cynical people looking to "hijack", as you put it, women's gender for selfish and nefarious personal reasons. If, on the other hand, you asked questions whose answers you were actually interested in, rather than whether someone has a dick or not, then maybe you'd start to learn something about the personal challenges these people can face.

[naomi24]

Jim, firstly you can’t compare the person driving cars to one competing in a sport that requires personal physical strength and effort.

Secondly these people are hijacking the female gender. Whatever problems they have, they have no right to create problems for the rest of us. They are not women.

[SparklyKid]

Cutting to the chase, has this bloke still got a willy ?

[hereIam]

But this so called man looks nothing like a woman, hence this thread and imo even if he has had his willy cut off, he's still a man (Oo controversial). Everyone is entitled to an opinion jim whether you like it or not.

[Ellipsis]

An example as I see it:

1. M is born male
2. Very good at a sport, competitive, but not world class
3. Genuine issues with being male, nothing to do with sport, wants to transition
4. Transitions
5. Wants to continue in competitive sport
6. Issue now is that competitive sport is built around old/traditional concepts of male and female
7. M is suddenly a world-class female athlete, winning against females who did not start out as male

Should transitioning from male be a route to becoming a world-class female athlete? No. The problem with the above process is the limited choice of competition that M can enter. M should be able to enter competitions where competitors have been through steps 2-5 like M.

Surely the opposite is also a problem ... where F wants to transition to male and must take testosterone to do so. How can F enter any competition when they're known to be taking testosterone? Unless the competition is against others who have been through the same process.