Jihadi Brides.

[Bigbad]

A report on last night’s ITN News interviewed 2 Jihadi Brides who want to return to the UK, but the UK will not repatriate detainees.

Should these young women be allowed back, or left to rot?

https://www.itv.com/news/2018-10-25/british-women-and-children-detained-in-syria-after-leaving-is-plead-with-government-to-allow-them-to-return-home/

[AuntLydia]

Allowing these women back in to the UK will send out a signal that its ok to support ISIS, leave the UK to support or fight for them, but return with your sprogs when things go *** up -To a nice cosy government funded house and free education. No, Make it clear once these jihads leave the UK its for good, no return, ever.

[ToraToraTora]

dannyk: "I should say that I am surprised by the lack of compassion shown by some posters here, but , sadly I am not. " - compassion, my April, where was their compassion when their "husbands" were beheading journalists and throwing gays off tall buildings?

[Peter Pedant]

// I find her remark about wishing to return to the UK for her children's education risible and pathetic//
is good fodder for a jury
but as we find out so often the truth may be different

The ones who are radicalised tend to be stupider and more gullible than usual. That explains why they swallow obviously stupid propaganda - and why they want a caliphate based in the 7th century oh but not telephones, xboxes, electricity and western arms, computers and emails - they are modern but OK

the ones they can refuse entry to - are those who really have been thick and taken a second nationality. It is then lawful to deprive them of their first nationality as you are not making them stateless [v.bad]

the difficulty is that if you let them back, they might get other complete dockheads to make the same mistakes

[Peter Pedant]

// where was their compassion when their "husbands" were beheading journalists and throwing gays off tall buildings//

are we to blame wives for the misdeeds of their husbands?

[ludwig]

They shouldn't be allowed back. People need to know that if they go down that route it's a one way ticket.

It's not a good message to give people that you can try a bit of Jihad, and if it doesn't turn out how you expected you can always come back and carry on where you left off.

[steg]

//They shouldn't be allowed back. People need to know that if they go down that route it's a one way ticket//

I think that’s pretty close to what I’d put

[ToraToraTora]

PP: "are we to blame wives for the misdeeds of their husbands? " - no but they went out to get involved with them, they knew what they were about. Don't come crying back to blightly because the reality wasn't like the 70s Turkish delight advert.

[SparklyKid]

I loved that advert, I can see her now belly dancing,lol.

[fender62]

pp, mean while there husbands were raping yazidi girl children and women, plus the husbands could have multi wives and the women who want to come back must have thought that ok in islam, as the prophet
to be emulated is correct behaviour, and that happens in the uk right now..and should be made illegal and 0 benefits paid, if anything deported if not benefits stopped, make the bum work and pay upkeep.

[Peter Pedant]

// I loved that advert, I can see her now belly dancing,lol.//

we sued to wiggle our bottoms and sing - Fries turkish delies!
making wavy motion with our arms
Brothers doing beatles impressions - o those were the days of innocence

// the women who want to come back must have thought that ok in islam//
and then they found the reality was somewhat different

and yes i have done something similar - as in starting a job and thinking "christ I didnt think it would be like this!"
altho you will be relieved to know that it didnt involve raping Yazidi babies or anything ( shooting people etc)

[jourdain2]

I haven't forgotten reports of Daesh training-camps for children. They began by beheading teddy-bears, I believe. Too dangerous to allow them into the country. First duty of a state is the safety of its citizens.

[Theland]

I have to be more moderate and vanilla now.
So let them back, give them benefits and compensation, and say sorry for driving them out in the first place. Let US share the responsibility.

[david small]

NO, just NO.

[webbo3]

let them stay and rot, they were complicit in murders along with their husbands, they knew what they were doing.

[fiction-factory]

I hope they are not allowed back- it would send the wrong message. steg put it well. I do not agree though with fender's rant- well not the bits that I can understand anyway.

[retrocop]

Jourdain @1902
Quite correct mon cher,
This shows the video of ISIS education to a three year old toddler. They recruit them early. If we scroll down we can go to further education classes where a young teen is encouraged to shoot two Syrian soldiers in the back of the head.
Sorry Missie you and your sweet little babe's are not wanted in a civilised country. The UK's education these days ain't perfect but you stay where you are.
We already have seen what young men do from Iraq when offered asylum and an education here.They attempt to blow up tube trains.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3208660/Child-abuse-wicked-sort-Shocking-new-ISIS-video-shows-baby-faced-three-year-old-boy-behead-TEDDY-BEAR.html

[Peter Pedant]

// First duty of a state is the safety of its citizens.// jourdie

oh dear listening to trump - actually it is from Cicero - salus rei publicae suprema lex ( esto)* and I thought it was odd to hear it on Trump's lips a few days ago considering how he was encouraging people to shoot Hillary during the election ( his election obviously). I wondered if the attorney general Jeff Sessions had said
"Mr prayzident will you shut up? You have gayven a barmer a defence when he playds you told haym to do it" **

even if they are criminal rather than girls who just wanted to have fun - you dont normally throw them away and say - "broken, hopelessly broken - so young! and there is nothing a western christian can do!"

*Cicero- de legibus
** er that is meant to he Jeff S's deep southern accent

[Peter Pedant]

// They attempt to blow up tube trains. //
well that is OK - the ones who DID blow up tube train ( 7/7 bombers) were born here
and what about the Irish for chrissakes - thousands dead, why dont we tow Nordern Oirleand out to the Atlantic and sink it?

[naomi24]

Peter Pedant. //the ones who DID blow up tube train ( 7/7 bombers) were born here//

Irrelevant. Wherever in the world they be born they cleave to the same philosophy. Islamists are Islamists.

//why dont we tow Nordern Oirleand out to the Atlantic and sink it?//

Because unlike you, ‘we’ understand that the Irish troubles bear no comparison to the subject under discussion.

[Peter Pedant]

There is a certain amount of biting and scratching over the Koran and martyrs - leddy martyrs - nothing serious for AB

vetuste has pointed out the word witness - martyr is the same in NT Greek and a similar pairing occurs in Classical Arabic as Shahid
(sh-h-d words are a similar meaning - look, watch, witness, (martyr) even mashahid - a gun sight, and invocation of God - bearing witness to his divinity) Obviously there is discussion about where it occurs and what it means in that context.

and a lady maryr is a shahida, and martyrs - shahidaat.
Having said that - there are no hits for a search quran-shahidaat
But
there is this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shahid

Big on hadith - sayings of the companions which themselves have a hierarchy - good, sound, erm could be, and not really

have a slug of Brandy before reading
even I got half way froo and thought o christ