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Time For A Re-Think Of The Equality Act?

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Deskdiary | 09:18 Tue 06th Nov 2018 | News
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When the Act was being written, do you think it was ever imagined that it would allow for absurdities such as shown in the link?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/11/02/gay-sauna-criticised-telling-transgender-man-leave-female/

In a nutshell a woman identifying as a man but still being in possession of a vagina (in other words a woman) was asked to leave the sauna because it is only licensed for gay men.

From the report “In a statement, Sailors Sauna said: "We are only licensed for men to use the venue.

"I understand that the gentleman was male, however his physical gender was different and as a customer had already stated that a female was using the venue, I explained that I would need to clarify with the council.”

‘He’ wasn’t male. She is female.

The Act allows this state of affairs to exist – but sometimes the law is wrong.
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The licensing issue would presumably not have been a problem if this person had legally changed their gender under the Gender Recognition Act. Assuming that isn't the case, it seems to me like the sauna took the right decision.
Although the premises are licensed for gay men alone, the only definite identification of either of those two states is the 'maleness' of a person.
It was on this aspect that the customer failed.

Similarly, a person attending a 'woman-only' venue should not be able to do so whilst still attached to their 'appendage'.
Maybe the solution is to do away all together with male/female/trans and just have penis or vagina allocation for toilets , changing rooms saunas etc. Then no one can argue what they define themselves as. Their Hardware may not correlate with their Software but if the rules change from what you feel inside to what equipment you have no one can argue....can they?
Although the premises are licensed for gay men alone


Surely not, Jack?
I wondered on that also - it is licensed as a 'male space' and it is intimated that it is a sex establishment.
Therefore licensed for males - but intended for gays.
According to the article, Talbot.
Male, Female, or intersex?

"We are only licensed for men to use the venue. "

What defines a man? A beard? An attitude? How someone feels? Strength? Muscles? a deep voice? or a penis?

What defines a woman, long hair? Breasts? A soft voice? well groomed facial hair(eye brows etc..)? Or a vagina / womb ?

So legally.... What defines a man?

I'm fed up of people playing with biology due to emotions or how they feel. It's codswallop. A Personality disorder does not make you physically a different sex.
“A Personality disorder does not make you physically a different sex.”

Indeed not, spathi. But it can make you a different gender if you want it to, (and on alternate Fridays only or when there is a “R” in the month if you wish).

“Trans people’s right to use single-sex spaces that match their gender is already settled in law”

Also indeed. And there’s the problem. “If the law supposes that," said Mr. Bumble, the Beadle (when told that the law supposes his wife acts under his directions) "then the law is a ass — a idiot.”.

It’s a shame Mr Bumble is not around now. He could point out the bleeding obvious to stupid politicians who cannot see beyond the the ends of their noses where lie all sorts of unintended consequences arising from their ideology. The public has to endure these as a result of their ineptitude when they create messes such as this.
"Time For A Re-Think Of The Equality Act?"

YES.
//Similarly, a person attending a 'woman-only' venue should not be able to do so whilst still attached to their 'appendage'. //

that's fighting talk, jack...….

https://www.newsweek.com/can-woman-have-penis-gender-identity-myths-explained-1093051
need to do something, all this is getting silly.
There's lots of things that "something needs to be done about", 3Ts. Many of them (such as this) are the result of politicians' stupidity. I don't hold out much hope of there being a re-think as it would highlight that stupidity. And we can't have that, can we?
They were given an inch and are taking a mile.
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/// Naomi, the director of campaigns at the gay rights charity Stonewall is one Mr Paul Twocock. ///

Or Mr 'P' Twocock. :0)
// "I understand that the gentleman was male, however his physical gender was different and as a customer had already stated that a female was using the venue, I explained that I would need to clarify with the council //

I love this quote. It's basically saying he's a man, but he's a man with a vagina instead of a penis.
... but he's got to check that with the council? :o)
..Well he had to check if his license covered it.....so to speak.
Lucky he's not the director of Stonewall. No chance!
I bet the bloke at the council said. 'This is all highly irregular. I'm going to have to take down your particulars'.
Haaaaaaaaaa! Well, let's face it, who wouldn't?!!

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