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There Is Much Talk Over The Tories Being Torn Apart But Are Labour In Just The Same Position?
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The feelings for the EU, one way or another, are of course cross party (Apart from the lib dems and who cares about them?).
So why all the Tory bashing? And what exactly do labour stand for?
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So why all the Tory bashing? And what exactly do labour stand for?
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of course, not being in power means never having to explain yourself, so what that all means, well, who knows?
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of course, not being in power means never having to explain yourself, so what that all means, well, who knows?
Yes they are. The splits over Europe just the same in Labour. They also have the ever present split of Corbyn/Blairite to deal with.
The fact is the attention is off them for the moment because the pressure to deliver Brexit is focused on the Tory govt. Corbyn is in his comfort zone of opposing stuff rather than being responsible for delivering anything.
If the Labour party in it's current state gets into power, the current shambles won't seem half as bad as it does now.
The fact is the attention is off them for the moment because the pressure to deliver Brexit is focused on the Tory govt. Corbyn is in his comfort zone of opposing stuff rather than being responsible for delivering anything.
If the Labour party in it's current state gets into power, the current shambles won't seem half as bad as it does now.
The tories are being 'bashed' because they're the government, ymb. It's right and proper that they should be held accountable. It also frankly matters a bit more whether or not the Tories split with the current parliamentary numbers.
Labour are of course pretty hopeless under their current leadership and do not obviously stand for anything. But Labour has already fought their civil war. I can't seriously imagine anyone challenging Corbyn after what happened last time.
Labour are of course pretty hopeless under their current leadership and do not obviously stand for anything. But Labour has already fought their civil war. I can't seriously imagine anyone challenging Corbyn after what happened last time.
why all the Tory bashing? You should know, you do enough of it: (a) because they're in power; (b) because they introduced Brexit; (c) because they're making a pig's ear of the job.
Labour have nothing to do with Brexit. The whole fiasco has been produced by the Tories from beginning to end. What fools voted them into office???
Labour have nothing to do with Brexit. The whole fiasco has been produced by the Tories from beginning to end. What fools voted them into office???
Because the Tory’s are in power and the others aren’t. It’s that simple.
And one reason Comrade Corbyn has been reluctant to challenge no confidence in the government. He knows his own party are just as split but all the while in opposition you just keep stumbling and let the stuff hit the electorate in the face and sweep up later.
And one reason Comrade Corbyn has been reluctant to challenge no confidence in the government. He knows his own party are just as split but all the while in opposition you just keep stumbling and let the stuff hit the electorate in the face and sweep up later.
Yes I do actively bash them.
I get the point about them being in Government but people seem to be talking about the Tory split wrecking their chances come an election. What I am saying is it seems to me the split is just the same in labour so come an election, which may not be far off, what is the difference?
I get the point about them being in Government but people seem to be talking about the Tory split wrecking their chances come an election. What I am saying is it seems to me the split is just the same in labour so come an election, which may not be far off, what is the difference?
Our electoral system gives a huge - in fact arguably decisive - advantage to parties which stay united (and also concentrate their support, but that's a topic for another time). So if one party divides and the other doesn't, it's pretty much a foregone conclusion. At the moment a Tory split looks more likely as they are in open conflict, though that could of course change...
Of course, if BOTH of the two major parties split... then we can expect considerably more chaos and dysfunction for years to come and it's pretty much impossible to say what would happen. As far as I'm aware that has never happened in British politics.
Of course, if BOTH of the two major parties split... then we can expect considerably more chaos and dysfunction for years to come and it's pretty much impossible to say what would happen. As far as I'm aware that has never happened in British politics.
Who knows? They might not avoid it. But they do have the advantage of being tilted more heavily towards Remain (there's far fewer Eurosceptic Labour MPs than Tory ones, it's pretty much Kate Hoey and a handful of others). They also have the fact that they've already fought a bitter leadership contest effectively over Brexit which Corbyn won pretty comfortably and an election in which he managed to increase their seats. I just can't see anyone trying to oust him again when the membership still seems very loyal to him even though it's basically an open secret that he's a Benn-style Eurosceptic.
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