1984

[Canary42]

Big Brother is watching you.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-46567125

[Old_Geezer]

One might expect it in some countries, but one might have hoped that the USoA valued the rights of the individual rather more. It seems not.

[derek-33]

i understand Britain has more cctv cameras per capita than anywhere else in the world

[kvalidir]

Bearing in mind that stalkers are often pretty unhinged (a guy was apprehended who intended to decapitate Joss Stone very near her house) I don't really have a problem with that tbh.

[jno]

yes, when there's a "database of Swift's known stalkers" you can hardly blame her. But I suppose in essence it's monitoring her rather than them - they're not watched at home, they're just searched for when she's appearing in public.

[retrocop]

The Taylor Swift fans were not blown to smithereens by a Jihadi bomber unlike Ariana Grande's fans at Manchester. Perhaps all those Muslim/Islamic Jihadis in the UK who are known to the UK's security forces yet continue to slip under the radar to ply their evil atrocities should have facial recognition prints available at all access points to large crowd assembleys. It's about time warning bells were set off before the atrocity rather than after.

[naomi24]

I'm happy when security at airports checks my passport. I don't have a problem with this.

[hellywelly4]

I don't mind at all. If it catches criminals that's fine by me.

[Peter Pedant]

// but one might have hoped that the USoA valued the rights of the individual rather more. //

what with the great libertarian Trump in the lead?

well he does take great liberties with their undies ( of the ladies I mean)

[AuntLydia]

Its like I.D. cards if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear.

[Peter Pedant]

airports it is GDPR compliant
( pretty well has to be)
https://www.wired.co.uk/article/heathrow-airport-facial-recognition-technology

Initial reports say the novichok poisoners were tracked by face recogntiion tech but then later they said it was squares of tech police with Very Good Memories

[Peter Pedant]

// Its like I.D. cards if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear.//7

hahahaha AB in full swing tonight I see
The Dutch identity cards were re-issued with a cute 'J' for some people in 1940. Easy round up later on
Yeah I D cards hold no threat for the population - good one

J voor Jood just in case you were wondering

[kvalidir]

Being of Jewish descent I have a healthy dislike of the idea of ID cards too as Pete correctly identifies. To me very not the same thing as IDing stalkers faces.

[naomi24]

Peter Pedant, That's a shameful slur on the Dutch. Those identity cards were issued under German occupation of the Netherlands.

[naomi24]

kvalidir, 'Pete' doesn't correctly identify. See my post above. Until the German occupation of the Netherlands all citizens were required to register their religion. Under German occupation the Jews had their cards stamped with a 'J'.

[IJKLM]

Already happening and well-established in China

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/08/business/china-surveillance-technology.html

The technology is available now. The only question is how long before more democratic governments start using it.

People will allow their governments and State security services to implement this kind of thing, if they perceive that the threat from external agencies (or perhaps racial minorities, as in the claimed threat in China from the Uyghur) is great enough.

Is it such a stretch of imagination that governments, or proto-governments might seek to deliberately spread fear, so that the public starts calling for this kind of all-pervasive monitoring of their citizens?

[kvalidir]

Yes I know that Naomi, I don't think Pete was batting at the Dutch at all, more the fact that people like the Third Reich can and do use ID cards to their own advantage.

[naomi24]

kvalidir, If that's the case, he should have made it clear.... but he didn't.

[Spicerack]

And him being Double-Dutch, disgraceful.

[AuntLydia]

Going back to what happened in WWII is ridiculous. Many countries have ID cards in one form or another without problem. If we had ID cards it would stop the need for passports to get to Europe (for the moment). People don't seem to mind having to carry driving licences around , and an ID card would be similar. It does not have to have your religion just your DOB and possibly, like in Canada, your SIN (social insurance number) which I presume in the UK would be your NI number. This is 2018 not 1939.....

[Samuraisan]

Here in Spain we have ID cards. Spanish and foreigners ( legal) alike. Name, address,photo and fiscal (id) number. We are all fingerprinted too. No problem for anyone and very useful to have as proof of identity.