Cracking Speech From J.r-M

[Khandro]

As someone, (W.C. actually) once said in another context, " it makes you feel proud to be an Englishman', don't you think?

[Zacs-Master]

Depends on your viewpoint as to whether he’s intelligent or not. Many people are swayed by a public school accent, unfortunately.

[Old_Geezer]

MPs are members of the party. Keeping Mrs. May is an election loser. No one is likely to vote for a party whose leader not only doesn't deliver the democratic decision of the people but actually tries to achieve the reverse and claims it's the best possible option, having previously admitted that getting no deal was better than accepting a bad one. The only thing the MPs achieved was a politician's promise to leave before the next election. Not good enough by half.

[ChillDoubt]

Or pompous, out-of-touch, arrogant and backward?
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Why are some lambasted for making full use of the education they were fortunate to receive?

[jim360]

I've no doubt he's well-educated, and maybe comes across as a great orator, but he strikes me as all style and no substance.

[Zacs-Master]

She’s already said she won’t stand at the next election.

‘No one is likely to vote for a party whose leader not only doesn't deliver the democratic decision of the people’

Well, actually, almost 50% are. Remember the referendum result?

[jim360]

And yet, OG, Theresa May is doing rather well in terms of personal popularity.

Like on many things these days, you seem to be misreading the electorate.

[Zacs-Master]

Chill, you need to differentiate between being intelligent and benefiting from an education. The two are completely separate.

[ChillDoubt]

Like on many things these days, you seem to be misreading the electorate.
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A bit like the remoaners who continue to ignore the 52% with their constant clamouring for a second referendum you mean?

[Jackdaw33]

I notice he had no notes and spoke extempore fluently for 10 minutes.

[Zacs-Master]

So did Hitler. Godwin’s law invoked. Gulp.

[jim360]

Not at all. By definition, a second referendum cannot be anything other than democratic.

Meanwhile, I appreciate that you, personally, and perhaps even most voters from 2016, haven't changed your/their mind since 2016. But, in a very real sense, the electorate from 2016 is dead. It's in the past -- and it is a fundamental principle of democracies that the past cannot shackle the future.

[kvalidir]

Alright what is the problem with a second referendum, if you were right the first time, why not the second? What are you so afraid of? Worried Boris's bus full of lies won't be bought a second time and that you won't be able to get away with electoral fraud so easily again? I strongly suspect so.

[ChillDoubt]

Chill, you need to differentiate between being intelligent and benefiting from an education. The two are completely separate.
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Oh I know how to do that Zacs, I hear enough spouting in work about how they’ve got a degree but think that China is next to Chile because countries are listed alphabetically as you go left to right around the globe.
Yes, I’ve heard someone say that.

[Zacs-Master]

Well, you’ll appreciate that JR-M’s warballings are the former then and not be taken in by his contradictory rhetoric.

[ChillDoubt]

Alright what is the problem with a second referendum, if you were right the first time, why not the second? What are you so afraid of? Worried Boris's bus full of lies won't be bought a second time and that you won't be able to get away with electoral fraud so easily again? I strongly suspect so.
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What, keep having them ad infinitum until we get the result YOU want you mean?
Democracy doesn’t work like that kval.

[ChillDoubt]

Well, you’ll appreciate that JR-M’s warballings are the former then and not be taken in by his contradictory rhetoric.
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Not heard many warblings(sp), just calm, measured response.

[jim360]

The voters in 2016 haven't been ignored -- Parliament has barely been focusing on anything other than Brexit in the last two-and-a-half years. And if you think a second referendum is ignoring the 52% then I venture to suggest that you're the one who needs to learn a bit about Democracy.

It's slightly ironic that JRM, whose background is Classics, doesn't seem to understand it very well either.

[Zacs-Master]

How can a condemnation of 66% of the party’s vote be ‘measured’?

[kvalidir]

No but surely if it's all it's cracked up to be the vote will be the same result won't it? Nothing to do with flipping democracy at all and everything to do with fear now people are somewhat more informed and reality has hit em in the chops.

[Zacs-Master]

Yeah, the reality that the leave voters want to put these same people they are highly critical off in charge of every aspect of our lives. Mmm.