Victory for sanity

[Dom Tuk]

90 day Amendment defeated by 22 votes. Is this a victory for sanilty and the beginning of the end for Blair

[Oneeyedvic]

sorry Mike - assumed I wouldn't need evidence for 90 days - will come back to you in 3 months ;-)

[surfer mike]

nice one vic..at least we can all smile at that..

[stevie_c2it]

Brachiopod, if your ever running for political office you've got my vote. You summed up the situation perfectly.

If you follow the logic, why not shoot all suspects, just in case they might blow someone up?

[loudickson71]

with this kind of discussion, I wonder a lot why I come near this site.

[the>one]

do any of the people on here use the london tube on a daily basis?

i sincerely hope none of your lives are affected by a terrorist act.....

political point scoring with lives!!!!!!!

[okeydokey]

I thought it was upto 90 days.

[Oneeyedvic]

Hope no one drives a car that can go over 70 mph here.

Political point scoring with lives (3,508 killed in 2003 just one year, and still the governement doesn't make manufacturers fit limiters tot heir cars)

I also fail to see how 49 labour members fightig this are scoring points - maybe they are pointing out to their own government that this is a ludicrous piece of legislation that shouldn't go through.

And with regard political point scoring - any reason that Charles Clarke didn't bother asking Scotlands Lord Advocate his view? And when they say the police asked for it - did Clarke speak to all Chief Constables - answer NO. Did the police do any studies as to whether 30, 60 or 90 days would have any different effects? No.

Stop reading sensationalist headlines, and find out the full facts of a case before you start preaching.

[brachiopod]

Loudickson and the>one, I take it then, that neither of you would have any objection to being arrested and held without charge for a period of up to ninety days because the police had a mere hint of a suspicion (quite erroneously I might add) that you had a connection with David Copeland (him of the Soho, Brixton and Brick Lane bombings) and therefore believed you would be planning to use explosives / commit a terrorist act?

Your being held in detention whilst they 'searched for evidence' would be a good thing then, because "it would be preventing more deaths"?

[Haggisdj]

Once again I'm with Lou and the>one. Evetyone I know, including my aged and respectable parents can see the good and valid reason for locking them up for up to 90 days. The people against it seem to be the same people who, before the last election, said there would be no terrorist attacks in this country.

When the stakes are this high, I told you so is too little too late.

[Ralph]

Read this guys account of how suspicious he had to be before being arrested and detained as a terrorist suspect.

It's all well and good saying "they" deserve to be locked up without trial for 3 months while the police look for evidence. Try saying it again using the word "I" instead of "they". Doesn't sound so fair then?

I too will be voting for Brachiopod!

[the>one]

mmmmmm.........i am 99% sure that i'm not going to be arrested for terrorism.....the other 1% ?.....i'll risk it!!!

[brachiopod]

How do you know that, the>one?

There are other people who are 100% innocent and end up being arrested?

Have you actually read the link from Ralph's answer above? Please read it, and then let us know what you make of it - I am genuinely interested in what you think.

[Oneeyedvic]

Amazing - we have become such a selfish society, that if it doesn't effect you, then who cares!

Again I will quote Niemoller:

First they came for the Communists,
and I didn�t speak up,
because I wasn�t a Communist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn�t speak up,
because I wasn�t a Jew.
Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn�t speak up,
because I was a Protestant.
Then they came for me,
and by that time there was no one
left to speak up for me

[stevie21]

I think that Michael Howard should be publicly flogged and then slowly skinned alive for his ludicrous suggestion that after this ONE defeat, Blair should "consider his position".

That really got up my nose - even more so than Tony Blair normally does. Pathetic point scoring on Howard's part but, sadly, exactly what we all expect from MPs.

[brachiopod]

Nice one, vic, I was going to quote Niemoller myself yesterday, but thought the message wouldn't get through....

Still, I'm alright Jack, eh?

[OBonio]

Of course the police wanted 90 days! It means they don't have to work as hard trying to find evidence. It'd just turn into '... no evidence? hm... we've got 70 days left to find some... we'll do it tomorrow, there's a doughnut eating competition on at the canteen...'.