More Project Fear?

[ToraToraTora]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46693156
The EUSSR gets most of its intelligence from GCHQ anyway so they'll be the ones losing out. Why does leaving the EUSSR mean we cannot share info on the bad guys??

[Zacs-Master]

It is only the case with a no deal Brexit, Tora. The reason, as explained in the article is......because a no-deal exit would threaten access to EU-wide criminal databases and make it harder to extradite people from abroad.

[ichkeria]

Lol no it doesn’t. All countries have their own “GCHQ”s

[jackthehat]

https://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/search/?q1=ToraToraTora%2BBrexit

https://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/search/?q1=ToraToraTora%2BProject+Fear

Perhaps you'll find an answer in one of the (numerous) threads you have posted on the subject?

[ToraToraTora]

".because a no-deal exit would threaten access to EU-wide criminal databases" - why can't we do a deal on mutual access like we do already with many other nations? eg the USA? this deal can be done any time we/they like, like all the other things that are helpful to both sides. Most of the data they have they got from us anyway. No deal does not mean no deal it means no silly brino deal costing £39bn. Sensible agreements can be made starting anytime.

[Zacs-Master]

I’ve no idea, Tora. I’m no expert. But I can read beyond a headline and don’t make ill informed statements.

[Buenchico]

EU privacy laws prevent the routine sharing of information about criminal records (etc) other than to other EU countries that have signed up to relevant parts of the Schengen Agreement.

So while, say, France can currently routinely hand over information to the UK, it can't hand over such information to the USA. If we leave the EU (and thus our right to participate under the Schengen Agreement) we'll be in the same position as the USA now is. (i.e. France will only hand over information upon receipt of a specific request, about a specific individual, rather than routinely).

[ToraToraTora]

thanks JTT but neither of those threads covered intelligence sharing.

[jackthehat]

You can't possibly have read through them all, TGT....

[ToraToraTora]

so the EU does not share intelligence with the USA then Chico? right oh! I know the UK does so are we currently breaking the rules? Or cold it be, horror or horrors, we did a deal??

[ToraToraTora]

well JTT the first link is about Norway and the second is about entry fees, both very short threads.

[Ellipsis]

> why can't we do a deal on mutual access

We can, but then it would not be a no deal Brexit which is what the article is about.

> No deal does not mean no deal it means no silly brino deal costing £39bn.

No, no deal means no deal. All existing deals are out of the window and each has to be renegotiated (or not). Anything else is not no deal.

[jackthehat]

The first is a link to 118 of *your* questions.....

[ToraToraTora]

"We can, but then it would not be a no deal Brexit which is what the article is about." - that's one of the first things we do after we have left without that silly non deal. Basically we cannot reason with the EUSSR until we are out.

[Fatalbertfixer]

Well if the baddies cant be extradited that's fine by me,they can ply their nefarious trade abroad and not here.Am happy with that.

[Togo]

If EUSSR "rules" prevent information sharing in no deal scenario...….we just stop letting them in until we have done our own. Easy peasy. Meanwhile perhaps the frogs, and their superior intelligence agencies would like to think about stopping the illegal trafficking of people across the Channel.

[Zacs-Master]

Britain’s continued use of Europol and tools including the Schengen Information System (SIS II), European Arrest Warrant and European Criminal Records Information System, are dependent on a separate treaty that MPs will Did not vote on on 11 December.
Why would C Dick be interested in promoting ‘fear’ rather than stating facts?

[ToraToraTora]

because like all remoaners they want to scare us.

[Togo]

TTT. Project fear ceased to be about scaring the Brexiteers long ago. It has now morphed into a campaign to scare the Remainiacs even more witless than they were during the referendum pitch for hearts and minds. The EUSSR and its acolytes are themselves terrified that their lies and duplicity have been rumbled for all time, and are now tying to ensure that no more sheeple escape the pen.

[Ellipsis]

> Well if the baddies cant be extradited that's fine by me,they can ply their nefarious trade abroad and not here. Am happy with that.

If we want somebody extradited, it's because we want to try them for a crime they committed here ...

extradite
verb
hand over (a person accused or convicted of a crime) to the jurisdiction of the foreign state in which the crime was committed.