Jools Holland's Hootenanny & The Eu

[Khandro]

Having watched the pathetic musical coverage of the new year's entrance on various parts of European TV at 11:00 pm (UK time) I then watched Jools' excellent programme at 12:00 (UK) and it occurred to me how little this music from Britain has to do with the Europe's musical history, countries we have fought against for centuries and have no real relationship with other than trade .
Britain's past and future is out there in the wider world, would you not agree?

[shoota]

Handel (and I don't mean Irene...) was German but is considered a stalwart of English musick. Messiah, Royal Fireworks etc.
Our skaters win gold to Ravel.
French supermarkets play English pop ad nauseam...

[tonyav]

Yes I would.
( pppssst, Jool's Hogmanay is recorded in early December. Not that it makes any difference ).

[Calibax]

No. Trade is everything. To ignore the world's biggest trading bloc on our doorstep in favour of more distant countries (let alone the Carbon footprint) is insanity.

[clyde59]

Yes very good show

[shoota]

[Buenchico]

I also watched the Hootenanny but before that, and since it ended, I've been listening to Classic FM all night. I can't recall hearing the work of any British composers, so it sems that we must be remarkably good at absorbing continental influences.

[JimF]

Wot? No Havergal Brian? For shame!

[cassa333]

I don’t think anyone is advocate ignoring trade with the EU. But is about trade with the whole world.

Which according to the maps I last looked at (admittedly over six hours ago so anything could have changed by now) the EU is actually on the same map as the rest of the world.

Or do remainextremists have a different world map I haven’t seen?

[Old_Geezer]

Geeze. Much popular modern music in the UK has tended to be home grown, or American, less European; save from Ibiza holiday sounds maybe. Classical music is a different issue. Unsure one needs to tie a particular product to trade generally, anyway. And no one is ignoring nearby trade, that continues, save without a special deal since the EU was determined not to agree one; what we are doing is getting out of a controlling federalist group. It's disingenuous to imply otherwise.

[Peter Pedant]

// Britain has to do with the Europe's musical history, countries we have fought against for centuries and have no real relationship with other than trade . //

[ real AB foo-den what he on abart den? answer coming up]

yeah in prison camp in the forties the Brits would bait the german guards. One hit back with "English culture: who is a great composer? we have Bach and beethoven and who do you have - a minor like Handel and even HE was German, dont talk to us about culture"
and my dear late father said he thought he had a point.

anyway your headline should be
Joolziz h-EU-tenanny.... innit
( just lapsing back into standard AB speak - and the standard AB world-view of 'am I alive? - I am not sure')

[Peter Pedant]

soza shoo'a
you got to Handel before me

//French supermarkets play English pop ad nauseam...//
yeah - oo-ee-oo-ah-ah - bing bang walla walla bing bang is a facourite - a hit in the early fifties
and also the mna-mna song from the muppets

and they call it french culture

[Khandro]

Jools' music was, as it always is, well rooted in jazz, blues, soul, rock, gospel and some very original British sounds ( I loved that woman singer with the slicked-down red hair, what was her name?)

The European stuff, one hour earlier, was a poor and manic version of European Song Contest junk with a bit of rap grafted on to make it try to sound 'with it'.

I'm trying to make an analogy here, but it seems to me, Britain's past, present and future, like its music, is out there in the wider world, (and yes, I've got a hangover!).

[Prudie]

I didn't watch that but I thought the music played during the London fireworks display was utterly abysmal, a huge let-down borne out of pandering.

[sp1814]

Enjoy it whilst it lasts.

Jools Holland won't be around for much longer. The series and the New Years' Eve special are being canned by the BBC.

I found that out at a party last night...with telly people.

[sp1814]

Prudie

I agree.

Weird to go from Skrillex to the Beatles.

[Canary42]

Blimey, you brextremists do scrape the barrel sometimes.

[ichkeria]

There is little argument about the music: but conflating that with EU membership does indeed do no favours to barrel bottoms.
And it isn’t as if we don’t already have huge historical and cultural links worldwide. It’s what gets some branches of neo fascism so worked up.
The anti Europeanism inbred in so many of us I find perplexing and rather sad.

[ichkeria]

And what’s more sits rather oddly with the obsession from many of the same quarters about European culture being swamped by guess what the rest of the world ;-)

[shoota]

Mind you, watching the 'choreography' on the Vienna New Years concert, we may be better served by total independence.
Dire.

[-Talbot-]

Turned Jools Holland's Hootenanny over as soon as the unnecessary Trump sketch started.

Is there no escape from it?