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The arrogance is breathtaking. Non Deal rejected? just ignore the referendum and stay under the control of the EUSSR! To the remainers, do you really want to have anything to do with an organization that finds it so easy to ignore the electorate of a member state?
The arrogance is breathtaking. Non Deal rejected? just ignore the referendum and stay under the control of the EUSSR! To the remainers, do you really want to have anything to do with an organization that finds it so easy to ignore the electorate of a member state?
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Tusk can Tweet what he likes. Anyone and everyone can have an opinion. Just because we do not agree with one person’s view does not mean the organisation is wrong.
In the end, the course is set not by Tusk, but the British Government and Parliament. This mess is our own doing, and we will determine what happens next, by ourselves.
In the end, the course is set not by Tusk, but the British Government and Parliament. This mess is our own doing, and we will determine what happens next, by ourselves.
//Hopkirk
We give them £40billion when we leave. 4 times our annual payment.//
I don't think we should give them anything. We have been big net contributors all this time.
//The EU is addicted to spending// just look at Juncker' bar bill and all the private jets he takes. He also set up his own country up as a tax haven before he got chucked out.
We give them £40billion when we leave. 4 times our annual payment.//
I don't think we should give them anything. We have been big net contributors all this time.
//The EU is addicted to spending// just look at Juncker' bar bill and all the private jets he takes. He also set up his own country up as a tax haven before he got chucked out.
/// an organization that finds it so easy to ignore the electorate of a member state. . . . .///
. . . . well 52% of them anyway.
Although a Remainer, I've never said the EU's perfect, and you never fail to relentlessly highlight its imperfections. I just think on balance we're better off in than out. I do however hope I'm wrong (in spite of all the ill omens already manifest) because otherwise we're in for a very tough future.
. . . . well 52% of them anyway.
Although a Remainer, I've never said the EU's perfect, and you never fail to relentlessly highlight its imperfections. I just think on balance we're better off in than out. I do however hope I'm wrong (in spite of all the ill omens already manifest) because otherwise we're in for a very tough future.
gromit: "The EU budget is $145 Billion, which is about 1% of annual wealth of all the 28 member countries combined.
If they lose our $11 Billion, it is hardly going to be noticed. " - that's ok then all the other countries won't mind putting another half billion in the pot each. Should go down well in Greece!
If they lose our $11 Billion, it is hardly going to be noticed. " - that's ok then all the other countries won't mind putting another half billion in the pot each. Should go down well in Greece!
"on balance we're better off in than out."
Once everything is settled down and we have trade deals all over the globe, that is debatable. But it is still only looking at the economics. The sovereignty issue is more of a priority and even if we were less well off financially it would be a worthwhile cost anyway.
Once everything is settled down and we have trade deals all over the globe, that is debatable. But it is still only looking at the economics. The sovereignty issue is more of a priority and even if we were less well off financially it would be a worthwhile cost anyway.
"It's Just Too Easy For The E U S S R To Ignore Democracy......"
"what, you mean parliament?"
Parliament has not (yet) promulgated the idea that we remain in the EU.
"// an organization that finds it so easy to ignore the electorate of a member state. . . . .///
. . . . well 52% of them anyway."
And thereby, in the thought processes of some - including many senior politicians - hangs the problem. The electorate was asked what it wanted and the Leavers prevailed. Parliament endorsed that decision by five to one, meaning 83% of MPs voted to enact the legislation to leave. That decision has been taken. It matters not whether "only" 52% of those who voted chose to leave in the same way that it doesn't matter if football team "only" won the Cup Final 4-3. They won and under the rules they get the cup. Their opponents do not get to keep it in their trophy cupboard for three sevenths of the year.
The Welsh Assembly referendum in 1997 was won by those in favour by 50.3% of the votes cast in a 50.2% turnout. So 25% of the electorate were in favour and presumably (under the logic put forward by many Remain supporters) the 49.8% who didn't vote were content with the status quo. Nonetheless the legislation for the Assembly was passed and enacted in under two years. There was no consideration or accommodation made for the 25% of the electorate who voted against the proposition and none for the 49.8% who didn't vote at all.
Similarly there would have been no consideration for the Leavers had the result been 52% (or 50.1%) in favour of remaining. We would have remained on unaltered terms and the matter would have been put to bed within 24 hours. Yes, there would have been campaigns for a re-run but, quite rightly, I expect them to have been unsuccessful.
So we are where we are. The decision to leave has been taken and, as was made quite clear prior to the referendum, leaving means quitting the Single Market and Customs Union at the very least. Accommodation should be found for life to continue relatively normally where matters which are not connected with those main institutions are concerned. This includes things such as aircraft flying to and from mainland Europe and drivers being able to drive on the continent and in the UK with the appropriate documentation and any talk of those activities (and many more besides) being impossible after Brexit is simply preposterous. It is in both sides' interests to see business carry on normally.
"what, you mean parliament?"
Parliament has not (yet) promulgated the idea that we remain in the EU.
"// an organization that finds it so easy to ignore the electorate of a member state. . . . .///
. . . . well 52% of them anyway."
And thereby, in the thought processes of some - including many senior politicians - hangs the problem. The electorate was asked what it wanted and the Leavers prevailed. Parliament endorsed that decision by five to one, meaning 83% of MPs voted to enact the legislation to leave. That decision has been taken. It matters not whether "only" 52% of those who voted chose to leave in the same way that it doesn't matter if football team "only" won the Cup Final 4-3. They won and under the rules they get the cup. Their opponents do not get to keep it in their trophy cupboard for three sevenths of the year.
The Welsh Assembly referendum in 1997 was won by those in favour by 50.3% of the votes cast in a 50.2% turnout. So 25% of the electorate were in favour and presumably (under the logic put forward by many Remain supporters) the 49.8% who didn't vote were content with the status quo. Nonetheless the legislation for the Assembly was passed and enacted in under two years. There was no consideration or accommodation made for the 25% of the electorate who voted against the proposition and none for the 49.8% who didn't vote at all.
Similarly there would have been no consideration for the Leavers had the result been 52% (or 50.1%) in favour of remaining. We would have remained on unaltered terms and the matter would have been put to bed within 24 hours. Yes, there would have been campaigns for a re-run but, quite rightly, I expect them to have been unsuccessful.
So we are where we are. The decision to leave has been taken and, as was made quite clear prior to the referendum, leaving means quitting the Single Market and Customs Union at the very least. Accommodation should be found for life to continue relatively normally where matters which are not connected with those main institutions are concerned. This includes things such as aircraft flying to and from mainland Europe and drivers being able to drive on the continent and in the UK with the appropriate documentation and any talk of those activities (and many more besides) being impossible after Brexit is simply preposterous. It is in both sides' interests to see business carry on normally.
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