Brexit Aint Gonna Happen.

[10ClarionSt]

You heard it here first. Personally, I couldn't care less if we're in or we're out. Honest, but it seems to me that elected MP's don't want it to happen. That's my interpretation of the vote last week. They want to stay in Europe with Maggie May as the PM. And they voted for HER cos they don't want to risk being voted out of Parliament. Simples. Brexit aint gonna happen.

[jim360]

I think there are a few people who might claim to have beaten you to this prediction, albeit for varying reasons...

[sanmac]

Fear not, do not capitulate, steady as she goes, damn the torpedoes coming from the East for as we well and truly know:

[jim360]

As lovely a sentiment as that is, wouldn't it be nice to invoke the spirit of some period in British history when we *weren't* nearly destroyed as a nation?

[vetuste_ennemi]

You're right, No10.

This will give great pleasure to all members of the coalition of globalists, the self-interested, the moral and intellectual elite (including all mainstream media), and the idealistic set of young voters who have electoral influence, but are still economic dependents.

The point comes to this: Jim's vote counts whereas yours (if you voted Leave) or mine doesn't.

[Mamyalynne]

I'd love to award you full points for originality 10C, but as Jim says above - it's now an often heard cry , like it or not.

People are weary for all sorts of reasons and the anger and divide this has all caused is sad to see.

[vetuste_ennemi]

Funnily enough I'm watching a repeat of Andrew Marr's excellent history of modern Britain (saw it the first time).

Thius episode about post-war Britain, the Attlee government, Stafford Cripps, rationing - need I go on.

Sad to see the privations suffered by my parents' generation even in the aftermath of "victory", and to see the cultural inheritance which they helped to preserve derided and trashed.

[jim360]

There's no joy for anyone in any of this. If Brexit doesn't happen -- and, let's face it, there's no point in pretending that I don't want this -- then I will be relieved, but not remotely joyful. It would stop something that I think to be bad for the country, but that's all. Nothing gets fixed in its place, the country wouldn't suddenly come together in celebration of a glorious pro-EU future, and we'd still have the same people in power despite their manifest unsuitability for the job.

[vetuste_ennemi]

I understand the calculation which reckons that the guarantee of being well fed and protected by an oligarchy at the small cost of some formal definition of "freedom" is a sensible transaction.

What I don't understand is the blind faith which assumes that the oligarchy's guarantees will or can be honoured. Take a major crisis like the collapse of the Spanish or Italian economies. Who pays for that if it happens? Just the Germans? Or that's its encroachments on individual freedoms won't become more oppressive as the strains imposed on society increase with increased "diversity" make it more necessary that irrational rages are not provoked by a cartoon in a newspaper. We've already had a legal ruling set by a body based in Strasbourg (ECHR) that accusing a paedophile born fourteen hundred years ago of being a paedophile is a criminal offence - and this in one of the most advanced, wealthy and freest countries in the modern world.

And this is Jim's "glorious future".

[jim360]

How little you understand me, vetuste...

[chrissa1]

The whole country voted for it with a clear majority. It Must happen. That’s what democracy is all about.

I’m sick and tired of being told what to do by fat, unelected cats living off their inflated wage packets and huge expense accounts.

Our country voted to leave the E.U. and that is that.

[vetuste_ennemi]

Jim's vote counts; Chrissa's doesn't.

The message is clear enough: Know your place!

[jim360]

If my vote had counted to trump anyone's who voted to Leave, the last three years wouldn't have gone the way they have.

A better explanation is that an idea has run up into the problem of detail. I can't see the point in repeating the same arguments about what that detail should be, if anything, but nevertheless, no plan for a country's future can be complete without at least *some* detail of how to achieve it. There is precious little agreement about what that detail should be.

[vetuste_ennemi]

The "detail" is a contrivance, Jim.

VE as PM: We're leaving. We want to leave on good terms with our European friends. We know half of you Brits think this is a bad and risky move. But, that's the the result of the referendum. Let's work together to make sure the post-EU future is good for all of us.

Instead of that we've had Gina Miller, "no can do", and Britain can't run its own affairs without a nanny.

[jno]

to see the cultural inheritance which they helped to preserve derided and trashed

the war generation were the ones in power when Britain entered the EU. Their inheritance will be trashed by leaving again.

[vetuste_ennemi]

//the war generation were the ones in power when Britain entered the EU//

I'm not aware that the British people were ever consulted about entering a "European Economic Community".

[fiction-factory]

>VE as PM: We're leaving. We want to leave on good terms with our European friends. We know half of you Brits think this is a bad and risky move. But, that's the the result of the referendum. Let's work together to make sure the post-EU future is good for all of us.

For once I can't disagree with anything you said there, VE. And I'm someone who voted to Remain two years ago.

[murraymints]

looks like we are heading for no deal exit..as exit we surely will.. expect France and Germany will follow before too long....EEC membership was to encourage better trade and relations between member states back in the day, alas it is now a Bank of Europe for irresponsible and Gimme gimme gimme ..exploit exploit exploit... corrupt and bankrupt countries.... to quote "FREEEEEEDOMMM" ..soonest the best ..we survived pre EEC we will survive post EU ....

[waterboatman]

Very well put minty. I agree.

[naomi24]

“We’re better off out of this failing EU superstate”, writes Leo McKinstry. Worth reading.

https://www.express.co.uk/comment/columnists/leo-mckinstry/1077136/failing-EU-superstate

[Marshwarble]

"We are heading for a No Deal".

Unlikely, as we need some structure for No Deal which hasn't been established. Only 8 out of about 30 post-Brexit laws have been ratified and that includes No Deal Brexit.