Knife Crime – New Prevention Orders

[naomi24]

//New powers to control suspects thought to be carrying knives are being introduced by the government in a bid to cut rising violence. The orders would target anyone aged 12 or over suspected of being involved in knife crime - even if they have not been caught with a blade.

If a court is convinced the police's intelligence is probably right, it can impose sanctions including:

 Curfews to keep the suspect off the streets and out of specific areas where gangs clash

 Requirements to attend special knife awareness courses to change their thinking

 Barring the suspect from using social media to encourage feuds

 Banning them for up to two years from meeting other members of their gang//

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47064453

Will it be effective?

[ummmm]

Worth a try, better than nothing.

[aelmpvw]

//Banning them for up to two years from meeting other members of their gang//
what's the legal definition of a 'gang'? sounds unenforceable to me

[rowanwitch]

They will need a lot more eyes on the cctv cameras, and while anything is worth a try it might be better getting all 12 year olds into an awareness programme. Personally I believe no one under twelve should be out after dark without a responsible adult anyway. I would consider a curfew for all youngsters acceptable possibly with exceptions for organised sport and social activities where a pass system could be used.

[youngmafbog]

On it's own no. But as part of a wider program including awareness and tough penalties for carrying a knife then maybe.

[Old_Geezer]

Makes one wonder what evidence would convince a court if there is none that indicates they have a blade. Putting folk through courses and curfews when they are innocent won't set those affected up for a lifetime of good relationships with society and authorities.

[youngmafbog]

I'm guessing OG it is to cover those caught on CCTV where a knife crime has happened.

Care does need to be taken though to ensure it is not abused. We certainly dont want to disenfranchise people from authority.

[mushroom25]

//Barring the suspect from using social media to encourage feuds //

that will be impossible to enforce. at this time, they can't even ban those currently in jail from social media.

[Peter Pedant]

police intelligence ?

everyone knows . .... they arent
it is like postal service ( no)
or civil service ( very frequenly not)

[ludwig]

ymb // On it's own no. But as part of a wider program including awareness and tough penalties for carrying a knife then maybe. //

Agreed.

[andy-hughes]

It does sound like it will help, but the real way to stop knife crime is to educate children out of the need to carry knives in the first place.


Some current youth thinking is that carrying a knife garners 'respect'. but the problem is, in order to actually ensure that 'respect', you may be called upon to use that knife.

We need to educate young people in understanding what genuine respect actually means, and stop this empty posturing nonsense that leads to so many injuries and deaths.

[spathiphyllum]

"Will it be effective?"

No.

[ToraToraTora]

caught with a knife, 5 years, no remission, 2nd time 15years, 3rd time throw away the key, end of, next!

[andy-hughes]

TTT - // caught with a knife, 5 years, no remission, 2nd time 15years, 3rd time throw away the key, end of, next! //

I can entirely sympathise with your position, but I still believe thayt society as a whole benefits from educating bad behaviour out of its citizens, rather than simply punishing it when it's already there - that simply means that the bad behaviour perpetuates for ever, which doesn't help anyone.

[tonyav]

"If I don't carry as knife I'd die in a couple of days. I didn't choose this life - this life chose me.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/id-be-dead-in-two-days-without-a-knife-says-gang-member/ar-BBSZ5h0?li=BBoPWjQ