Why Would No Deal Mean A "very Hard Border" In Ireland?

[ToraToraTora]

https://news.sky.com/story/tony-blair-answers-the-questions-others-try-to-avoid-11633318
St Tony exclaims but does not explain why. Surely if neither NI, ROI or UK want it then it won't happen. Is Junkett and co going to send a team of Brickies to the ROI or something?

[ToraToraTora]

ok Jim but I'm just trying to figure out what is going to be built and by whom.

[youngmafbog]

The only people that really want it are the EU. If they want it then they build it. And take the consequences that come with it.

[KARL]

TTT, the Norwegian border arrangements do include a certain amount of modern technology, but first and foremost comes Norway's customs, Schengen, etc. linkage with the EU. Without those the border would be a low-tech hard border (or "end of" as you would put it). In the event of a no deal under Brexit, the Irish border is a radically different proposition from present Norway border conditions with no likelihood that the EU or the UK would simply pretend a gash in their respective border does not matter simply because "neither party wants a hard border".

[ToraToraTora]

necessity is the mother of invention.

[youngmafbog]

Not for those with an Agenda TTT.

[jim360]

Necessity will have to get a shift on, then.

I'm sure that eventually all challenges that a Hard Border poses can be met. The big questions are "when" and "how". It is certain that arrangements cannot be in place by March 29th, if that's the type of border we end up with; in practice, this will mean that even in a No Deal scenario it will be some time before anyone sets up either a Hard Border or some alternative arrangement.

But that can't last forever, and you can't be complacent about it forever. A Hard Border is the inevitable consequence of No Deal Brexit, and it would be a disaster for Ireland. There is no agenda in pointing this out, or worrying about it. It's just an acceptance of reality.

[Peter Pedant]

// We adapt the Norway model to control the border with tech, end of.//

foo! yeah why didnt May finka that ?

no need for negotiating - euro travel, revolting MPs, surely irish
just do the Norway model .....

[youngmafbog]

"A Hard Border is the inevitable consequence of No Deal Brexit, and it would be a disaster for Ireland. "

Ah, so admittance another EU country will suffer. I thought it was only the UK that will suffer through Brexit.

And if Ireland will suffer why is the Eire PM so intransigent and negative to the UK?

[Kromovaracun]

//And if Ireland will suffer why is the Eire PM so intransigent and negative to the UK?//

How has he been negative or intransigent? Ireland has had nothing to do with creating this situation, and their suggestion on how to resolve this (i.e. the backstop, which we also agreed to back in November 2017) has now been rejected by the UK parliament - who instead have demanded "alternative arrangements" without any kind of guidance on what those arrangements should be. It's quite understandable why they'd be enormously frustrated by this.

And yes, Ireland will be very badly affected by a no-deal Brexit due to the border. This obviously does not mean the UK won't be - in fact just about every credible authority predicts it will be extremely bad for us. Even if we weren't, though, and by some miracle all the forecasts turn out to be completely wrong, it would be extremely stupid and shortsighted to wilfully screw over our neighbours and jeopardise the peace over this.

[Kromovaracun]

* November 2018, sorry

[jim360]

All along it's been clear that a No Deal Brexit was bad for everybody concerned. I don't think that has ever been up for debate -- so seizing upon that as the only part of my post to focus on is odd indeed. I could be forgiven for thinking that it's a deliberate attempt to ignore the main point.

[youngmafbog]

"I could be forgiven for thinking that it's a deliberate attempt to ignore the main point. "

How? I have answered the main point very clearly earlier on. We dont build a wall, if the EU want one then its up to them to fund it and take the consequences.

Something like this is only difficult if one or more parties has a vested interest in failure. Otherwise over time things will fall out with and can be dealt with at the time. Rushing in only ends up with something unworkable.

[Zacs-Master]

How come you’re confused, Tora? You seemed to have it all sorted in the past:

Back in June you were saying if the EU want a border they should build one.

Back in Dec ‘17 you claimed ‘No one wants a hard border so we have to do some sort of deal’

[Togo]

Funny old World. The libbies and luvvies are united, as is the EUSSR press machine, in the opinion that the wall that Trump wants to build with a hard border and stringent checks to prevent child trafficking and drug shipments, to say nothing of millions of illegal immigrants, is a heinous Nazi act. But the very same is just the ticket for N.I. Meehh.

[fiction-factory]

"Meehh. Is that short for "I know what I've just said is nonsense."

[ToraToraTora]

ZM: "How come you’re confused, Tora? You seemed to have it all sorted in the past: " - I do have it all sorted if you read what I wrote I am simply asking why St Tony thinks there will be a "very hard border".

[Old_Geezer]

I can only assume it would mean a "very hard border" in Ireland because Leo Varadkar would then insist on one whilst continuing to insist he doesn't want one. He and the EU elite need to go have a serious talk instead of backing up each other's ludicrous games.

[andy-hughes]

Tony Blair is yesterday's man with the blood of innocents on his hands - I wouldn't trust him to walk my dog round the block.

I don't actually have a dog - I wouldn't even trust him with a virtual dog!!!

[andy-hughes]

While Tony is spouting his garbage, he ought to spend a little time mugging up on basic grammar - you can't have a 'very hard' anything.

The adjective 'hard' is an absolute, something is either hard or it is not hard, there are no degrees, it can't be almost hard, or very hard.

Blair is a pompous egotistical ignorant fool, he should be kept of telvision channels so people who know what they are talking about can occupy the space.

If not, just put static on, still better listening than him!!!

[naomi24]

//The adjective 'hard' is an absolute, something is either hard or it is not hard, there are no degree//

I don't agree with that at all - but let us not derail the thread. This is about the Irish border - or not - and the contributions so far on that subject make interesting reading.