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Why Would No Deal Mean A "very Hard Border" In Ireland?
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St Tony exclaims but does not explain why. Surely if neither NI, ROI or UK want it then it won't happen. Is Junkett and co going to send a team of Brickies to the ROI or something?
St Tony exclaims but does not explain why. Surely if neither NI, ROI or UK want it then it won't happen. Is Junkett and co going to send a team of Brickies to the ROI or something?
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TTT, the Norwegian border arrangements do include a certain amount of modern technology, but first and foremost comes Norway's customs, Schengen, etc. linkage with the EU. Without those the border would be a low-tech hard border (or "end of" as you would put it). In the event of a no deal under Brexit, the Irish border is a radically different proposition from present Norway border conditions with no likelihood that the EU or the UK would simply pretend a gash in their respective border does not matter simply because "neither party wants a hard border".
Necessity will have to get a shift on, then.
I'm sure that eventually all challenges that a Hard Border poses can be met. The big questions are "when" and "how". It is certain that arrangements cannot be in place by March 29th, if that's the type of border we end up with; in practice, this will mean that even in a No Deal scenario it will be some time before anyone sets up either a Hard Border or some alternative arrangement.
But that can't last forever, and you can't be complacent about it forever. A Hard Border is the inevitable consequence of No Deal Brexit, and it would be a disaster for Ireland. There is no agenda in pointing this out, or worrying about it. It's just an acceptance of reality.
I'm sure that eventually all challenges that a Hard Border poses can be met. The big questions are "when" and "how". It is certain that arrangements cannot be in place by March 29th, if that's the type of border we end up with; in practice, this will mean that even in a No Deal scenario it will be some time before anyone sets up either a Hard Border or some alternative arrangement.
But that can't last forever, and you can't be complacent about it forever. A Hard Border is the inevitable consequence of No Deal Brexit, and it would be a disaster for Ireland. There is no agenda in pointing this out, or worrying about it. It's just an acceptance of reality.
"A Hard Border is the inevitable consequence of No Deal Brexit, and it would be a disaster for Ireland. "
Ah, so admittance another EU country will suffer. I thought it was only the UK that will suffer through Brexit.
And if Ireland will suffer why is the Eire PM so intransigent and negative to the UK?
Ah, so admittance another EU country will suffer. I thought it was only the UK that will suffer through Brexit.
And if Ireland will suffer why is the Eire PM so intransigent and negative to the UK?
//And if Ireland will suffer why is the Eire PM so intransigent and negative to the UK?//
How has he been negative or intransigent? Ireland has had nothing to do with creating this situation, and their suggestion on how to resolve this (i.e. the backstop, which we also agreed to back in November 2017) has now been rejected by the UK parliament - who instead have demanded "alternative arrangements" without any kind of guidance on what those arrangements should be. It's quite understandable why they'd be enormously frustrated by this.
And yes, Ireland will be very badly affected by a no-deal Brexit due to the border. This obviously does not mean the UK won't be - in fact just about every credible authority predicts it will be extremely bad for us. Even if we weren't, though, and by some miracle all the forecasts turn out to be completely wrong, it would be extremely stupid and shortsighted to wilfully screw over our neighbours and jeopardise the peace over this.
How has he been negative or intransigent? Ireland has had nothing to do with creating this situation, and their suggestion on how to resolve this (i.e. the backstop, which we also agreed to back in November 2017) has now been rejected by the UK parliament - who instead have demanded "alternative arrangements" without any kind of guidance on what those arrangements should be. It's quite understandable why they'd be enormously frustrated by this.
And yes, Ireland will be very badly affected by a no-deal Brexit due to the border. This obviously does not mean the UK won't be - in fact just about every credible authority predicts it will be extremely bad for us. Even if we weren't, though, and by some miracle all the forecasts turn out to be completely wrong, it would be extremely stupid and shortsighted to wilfully screw over our neighbours and jeopardise the peace over this.
"I could be forgiven for thinking that it's a deliberate attempt to ignore the main point. "
How? I have answered the main point very clearly earlier on. We dont build a wall, if the EU want one then its up to them to fund it and take the consequences.
Something like this is only difficult if one or more parties has a vested interest in failure. Otherwise over time things will fall out with and can be dealt with at the time. Rushing in only ends up with something unworkable.
How? I have answered the main point very clearly earlier on. We dont build a wall, if the EU want one then its up to them to fund it and take the consequences.
Something like this is only difficult if one or more parties has a vested interest in failure. Otherwise over time things will fall out with and can be dealt with at the time. Rushing in only ends up with something unworkable.
Funny old World. The libbies and luvvies are united, as is the EUSSR press machine, in the opinion that the wall that Trump wants to build with a hard border and stringent checks to prevent child trafficking and drug shipments, to say nothing of millions of illegal immigrants, is a heinous Nazi act. But the very same is just the ticket for N.I. Meehh.
While Tony is spouting his garbage, he ought to spend a little time mugging up on basic grammar - you can't have a 'very hard' anything.
The adjective 'hard' is an absolute, something is either hard or it is not hard, there are no degrees, it can't be almost hard, or very hard.
Blair is a pompous egotistical ignorant fool, he should be kept of telvision channels so people who know what they are talking about can occupy the space.
If not, just put static on, still better listening than him!!!
The adjective 'hard' is an absolute, something is either hard or it is not hard, there are no degrees, it can't be almost hard, or very hard.
Blair is a pompous egotistical ignorant fool, he should be kept of telvision channels so people who know what they are talking about can occupy the space.
If not, just put static on, still better listening than him!!!
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