Is It Now Offensive To Described A Black Person As Black?

[anotheoldgit]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-6719773/John-Motson-apologises-Millwall-striker-Tom-Elliott-race-gaffe.html

[anotheoldgit]

spathiphyllum

/// the fact he's black has nowt to do with football AOG. ///

Try telling them that, when they are always harping on that there are not enough 'BLACK' Managers in English Football.

Never hear the other-side of the coin, in so much, "there are too many black players in English football" and neither should there be, Black or White it should be the best who are chosen, no matter the colour of their skin and who can do the job best.

[Rockrose]

Lol my upbringing? What do you know of my upbringing?

[Rockrose]

//Never hear the other-side of the coin, in so much, "there are too many black players in English football//
No but we do hear that there are too many foreign players in English football.

[ummmm]

Andres - it's not a sheltered life. If I was talking about someone in the pub I'd say 'the black fella over there' but this is football so limited amount of people on the pitch. He could have used his name!

[Ellipsis]

> To be a fair comparison it would have to be something like "waspish, white and wily".

Sorry, in more detail, it would have to be a black commentator commenting on a white player, saying something like "waspish, white and wily" - and yes, I would think that was an odd thing to say. To paraphrase TheCorbyLoon, being waspish and wily are qualities which affect the way a person plays football, whereas being white does not.

[Deskdiary]

"I would never use the words 'that black fellow over there' neither I suspect would anyone under the age of 80."

I appreciate it is all hypothetical, but if there was somebody in a crowd and I was asked to point that somebody out and he happened to be black, I would say something long the lines of "the black guy over there". I wouldn't try to identify him to somebody by describing his shirt, trousers, shoes or anything else, when the most obvious way to point him out would be his colour.

I am nowhere near being 80.

[naomi24]

So would I, deskdiary - or the ginger bloke - or the tubby bloke - or the tall bloke, or the Chinese bloke.

[max137]

Not surprised that Radio Station is full of gesture signalling cronies.

[Rockrose]

I'm still waiting for AOG's insight into my upbringing!

[anotheoldgit]

spathiphyllum

/// I've said it before but "black" isn't a race. ///

Then perhaps you should look up the true definition of the word Xenophobic?

"Having or showing a dislike of or prejudice against people of other countries".

I think you will find that Tom Elliott was born in Leeds, and I think that you will also find that, that fair city is in England.

[Ellipsis]

Nor me, any more than I would avoid saying "The woman with the bright red face" if she was looking flushed, or "the white guy" if he was in a crowd of black people. There's a difference between it being a defining characteristic and an unnecessary statement of fact, which I've tried to show with my "white" example.

[naomi24]

Just an observation but we hear so much of people being 'empowered' when in fact it seems to me that they're becoming more and more precious and petulant.

[Ellipsis]

Wow, fast moving thread - that was to Deskdiary

[andres]

ummm-I was merely responding to the remark by RR at 12.54 .^^^^^

[anotheoldgit]

naomi24

Sorry Naomi I missed your post, regarding the misuse of the word xenophobic.

[andres]

People of all ages can be racist . I don't know where this idea that all younger people are accepting and welcoming towards people from other races comes from.

[anotheoldgit]

Rockrose

/// No but we do hear that there are too many foreign players in English football. ///

That is a different matter entirely, better take that up with the xenophobics lol.

[ummmm]

Andres - I knew that but I very much doubt she's lived a sheltered life.

[youngmafbog]

Oh dear, usual atagonistic comments from the usual.

This appears to be a lot of fuss about nothing. Tom certainly isnt bothered about it and why should he, what a great compliment he was being given, if you dont go looking for something that is not meant or there.

[naomi24]

No problem, aog.