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Can we just get out with no deal now?
Can we just get out with no deal now?
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jim: "As long as Parliament and the EU Council have any say in the matter, they will work as hard as they can to prevent No Deal. " - Well they aren't showing any signs of it at the moment, they are heading over the waterfall and still squabbling in the barrel with meaningless tripe. Why don't you tell us little people how the mighty pantheon of "democracy" are going to stop themselves going over Niagra in a barrel.
//Pretty sad that you should think that I meant that only I matte//
Nobody took you to mean that at all, Jim: we know exactly whom you were referring to. But you're rejoicing at the success "those who matter" have had in subverting the 2016 vote, aren't you? More power to their elbow, eh?
And it'll be good for the stupids in the long run, won't it?
Nobody took you to mean that at all, Jim: we know exactly whom you were referring to. But you're rejoicing at the success "those who matter" have had in subverting the 2016 vote, aren't you? More power to their elbow, eh?
And it'll be good for the stupids in the long run, won't it?
"[No Deal] is the default, no permission needed they need a concrete alternative, one that the EU also back. Surprised you struggle to grasp this jim."
As I say, I accept that this is technically true, but:
1. The EU Council doesn't want No Deal.
2. The UK Parliament doesn't want No Deal.
3. The UK electorate almost certainly doesn't want No Deal, as best as it's possible to tell.
As long, therefore, as all three parties don't want this outcome, then they will work to avoid it. As to its being the default: This is true, but there is an emergency EU Council meeting scheduled for April 10th, at which it can be presumed that Theresa May is going to ask for a further extension. It is also fairly likely that, later this week, Parliament will grant permission for it.
It is finally worth noting that the bulk of the EU (Withdrawal) Act 2018 hasn't come into force yet, including Section 1, which repeals the European Communities Act. As far as I can see this is only a matter of the Sec. of State for Brexit specifying a given date, but this hasn't happened yet and morally can only happen once there is consensus on the way forward, which there is not.
As I say, I accept that this is technically true, but:
1. The EU Council doesn't want No Deal.
2. The UK Parliament doesn't want No Deal.
3. The UK electorate almost certainly doesn't want No Deal, as best as it's possible to tell.
As long, therefore, as all three parties don't want this outcome, then they will work to avoid it. As to its being the default: This is true, but there is an emergency EU Council meeting scheduled for April 10th, at which it can be presumed that Theresa May is going to ask for a further extension. It is also fairly likely that, later this week, Parliament will grant permission for it.
It is finally worth noting that the bulk of the EU (Withdrawal) Act 2018 hasn't come into force yet, including Section 1, which repeals the European Communities Act. As far as I can see this is only a matter of the Sec. of State for Brexit specifying a given date, but this hasn't happened yet and morally can only happen once there is consensus on the way forward, which there is not.
the EU (Withdrawal) Act 2018 - comes into force on 12th jim. It's not currently in force.
as for 1: they are not budgeing are they, they are not giving Parliament any wriggling room at all hardly the actions of an organ that doesn't want no deal. 2: They are showing no signs of coming up with anything to stop it. 3: I think people are sick of all this fumbling by a 75% vassal HOC.
as for 1: they are not budgeing are they, they are not giving Parliament any wriggling room at all hardly the actions of an organ that doesn't want no deal. 2: They are showing no signs of coming up with anything to stop it. 3: I think people are sick of all this fumbling by a 75% vassal HOC.
I did add the caveat, pixie. To be fair I don't *know* that the British people want No Deal, but all the signs are that, as a whole, we do not. Firstly, as I have pointed out several times, even if most Brexit supporters *do* want (or are prepared to tolerate) No Deal, not all of them do; and then it seems clear that most Remainers, and most of those who didn't vote in 2016 but might in future, are similarly against that outcome.
Granted, this isn't enough to prove my claim altogether, but then again the only way to show that I was wrong would be to hold a proper national referendum with that exact outcome on the paper. This hasn't happened, yet, so until then all I can go on is the evidence that shows No Deal to be second favourite.
Granted, this isn't enough to prove my claim altogether, but then again the only way to show that I was wrong would be to hold a proper national referendum with that exact outcome on the paper. This hasn't happened, yet, so until then all I can go on is the evidence that shows No Deal to be second favourite.
"the EU (Withdrawal) Act 2018 - comes into force on 12th jim."
I think this isn't correct, although I am happy to be corrected on the matter. But Section 25 of the Act shows that Section 1, repealing the ECA 1972, is not yet in force, and subsection (4) shows, further, that this can only come into force once the Minister for ExEU has laid the necessary regulations. Unlike redefining exit day, there's no need for Parliament to vote on this when the Minister lays it, but it nevertheless seems to follow that, in UK law at least, we can't leave "by accident" in that manner.
I think this isn't correct, although I am happy to be corrected on the matter. But Section 25 of the Act shows that Section 1, repealing the ECA 1972, is not yet in force, and subsection (4) shows, further, that this can only come into force once the Minister for ExEU has laid the necessary regulations. Unlike redefining exit day, there's no need for Parliament to vote on this when the Minister lays it, but it nevertheless seems to follow that, in UK law at least, we can't leave "by accident" in that manner.
no I cant say I am rejoicing either Jim
the Eu withdrawal act activation is NOT a driver as far as I can see. The EU legislation has already been incorporated into English local law and so the next step would be repeal of the 1972 act and that means all the legislation dependant on it ( = all EU legislation ) - the gt part of which is now also local
the only prob is that the incorporating legislation has made a gobbledeegook ( yeah Nize fave word) of some of the regulations and a ministers pen is needed to straighten it out.
the ministers pen needed is very powerful indeed and this in itself has caused constitutional problems - if he can modify primary legislation it means he can draft and sign primaru legislation all by himself which no one wants at all.
the Eu withdrawal act activation is NOT a driver as far as I can see. The EU legislation has already been incorporated into English local law and so the next step would be repeal of the 1972 act and that means all the legislation dependant on it ( = all EU legislation ) - the gt part of which is now also local
the only prob is that the incorporating legislation has made a gobbledeegook ( yeah Nize fave word) of some of the regulations and a ministers pen is needed to straighten it out.
the ministers pen needed is very powerful indeed and this in itself has caused constitutional problems - if he can modify primary legislation it means he can draft and sign primaru legislation all by himself which no one wants at all.
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