Another Waste Of Time....

[ToraToraTora]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics
Can we just get out with no deal now?

[dannyk13]

Talbot, at the moment nothing has been decided about having a customs union.

[Kromovaracun]

Because it's entirely possible to be in a customs union with the EU without being a member state or even close to being one (e.g. Turkey).

[Old_Geezer]

Not what it was: it's what it's trying to become because of MPs and a noisy section of the losing side of the referendum. No-deal (in the absence of the EU suddenly becoming reasonable) is the only exit option left.

[-Talbot-]

You think the EU will agree to a customs union that suits us?

[Old_Geezer]

Without being on the membership list you mean. Jumping to EU comnands is still being in the EU, but with no say.

[dannyk13]

Og, there is another option,Don't be surprised if May's deal returns tomorrow.

[-Talbot-]

Or do you think Corbyn will work his magic and get us what we want if we elect him?

[Kromovaracun]

We would need to know what we wanted for that to happen.

As for the EU, I don't know. It seems to me they've been quite patient with trying to accommodate the UK's own 'red lines'.

[Smowball]

My 19 year old son said to me what’s actually going to happen with all this Brexit stuff, and I said I honestly haven’t got a clue any more!

[Old_Geezer]

Danny, I state again, "No-deal (in the absence of the EU suddenly becoming reasonable) is the only exit option left."

[dannyk13]

Og, they have already agreed to May's deal if she can get it through parliament.

[jim360]

// Day 1 we should have laid out our terms and said we are prepared to leave with no deal if necessary ... //

The thing is, to an extent I agree with you on this point. But then that would have required an entirely different motivation behind the referendum even being called in the first place. Certainly, the lack of planning for the eventual result was atrociously poor (and, I think, deliberate on Cameron's part). But then that means that on day 1 it was impossible to set out our terms, because nobody knew or agreed on what they were, or on how to achieve them, or when, and so on.

If Leave had won, and had a plan for doing something with that victory, and if Cameron had called the referendum not to unite the Conservative Party but to actually have the question of our EU membership settled, then ... well, if only.

[-Talbot-]

dannyk13
Og, they have already agreed to May's deal if she can get it through parliament.



Of course they have and there's a reason they have... any idea why?

[ToraToraTora]

well I think the attitude was, Jim, that there is no way the people would ever vote leave!

[maggiebee]

The year is 2060 and TM (made up mostly of cyber parts) is attempting to get her deal through.

[mushroom25]

//well I think the attitude was, Jim, that there is no way the people would ever vote leave! //

well, according to informed wisdom, they didn't.

17.4m voted "leave".
16.1m voted "remain".
12.9m didn't vote and therefore opted for the "status quo".

##A mathematician named Hall...… ##

[naomi24]

Haaaa! ^Very good! Yet another reason why 'Remain' should prevail.

Next!

[jim360]

// well I think the attitude was, Jim, that there is no way the people would ever vote leave! //

Indeed not. Another reason why I'll never quite be able to forgive Cameron. I don't mind having the EU referendum per se, but better to have held it for the right reasons.

[New Judge]

"But then that means that on day 1 it was impossible to set out our terms,..."

There were nine months (between the referendum and A50 being triggered) to formulate our terms.

[jim360]

Well, yes, but firstly, nine months isn't "day 1", and secondly we *did* set out our terms -- or, rather, Theresa May did. Unfortunately, those terms, which actually got a good deal of support at the time, didn't lead anywhere brilliant.