So We Can Put Theiving Lowlives Away Indefinately.......

[ToraToraTora]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-47879038
Why isn't this system used more often?

[New Judge]

"...and asked for other offences to be taken in to consideration."

And so we really are getting somewhere.

It's a tidy step away from "A man who remains in prison [since 2007] after he was jailed aged 17 for stealing a bike.."

I'm was not a particular fan of IPPs. That was not because of the effect they had on offenders (the last of my considerations). It was more that I believe sentencing should take place in court by a judge (or Magistrates if appropriate) and not in an office some years later. A criminal should leave court fully aware of his sentence and it should be served in full. If he misbehaves in prison he is brought back to court and sentenced for the misbehaviour, any sentence to be served after his initial sentence is finished. However, that would be all well and good if the Criminal Justice System (CJS) was fit for purpose. But it isn't. Sentences (by law applied in accordance with the sentencing guidelines) are often hopelessly inadequate. So I can see the need for IPPs or something like it.

The principle function of the CJS is to punish offenders and protect the public (aka non-offenders). If rehabilitation can be achieved without jeopardising the principle functions then all well and good. But it should not be an overriding consideration.

There is obviously far more to Mr Bell's misdemeanours than the headline suggests. It wasn't simple theft, it was robbery. There was violence involved and he seemingly had history. The Parole Board is not renowned for ordering the continued incarceration of people and there is obviously a good reason why Mr Bell has been detained for so long.

[Peter Pedant]

// there is obviously a good reason why Mr Bell has been detained for so long.//

I love the pious sentiments - the Great and Good know much better than the common man ( xc in matters Brexit of course)

Allison Saunders ( DPP) dismissed before her time was full of 'the system is meant to work like this' - now employed in the magic circle as befits a woman of her talents

[New Judge]

// there is obviously a good reason why Mr Bell has been detained for so long.//

So has he been detained just for the hell of it, Peter?

[vetuste_ennemi]

When AB's greatest jurist was asked whether the ECHR's unanimous decision to find against the appellant in the case ES v Austria (ES had apparently broken Austrian criminal law by implying - not stating - that Mohammed was a paedophile) was consistent with its role to uphold the European Convention on Human Rights, he shrugged off this perfectly reasonable question with an "It's a legal judgment, stoopids, innit".

That was the extent to which the keen legal mind was curious enough, or inclined to go. Whence, then, his present cynicism about the judiciary and his newly acquired fastidious concern for justice in the the case of the stolen bike?

[Peter Pedant]

// So has he been detained just for the hell of it, Peter?So has he been detained just for the hell of it, Peter?//

er I dont know EVERYTHING NJ - er I am not a judge !
[ but I did write to the DPP ( one AS) more often than you to tell her what a crap job she was doing ]

the IPP system was scrapped in 2012
but those IN the system were not transferred but allowed to work their way froo
and there is a surprising statistic - like none have been let out .....

I mean I was right when I said - it was scrapped because it didnt work.
I knew I was right as soon as the gale of squawking from the hang em high brigade ( shooting is too good for them - stone them or burn them! after a good flog of course - in public!)

v-e thank you for your long, well thought out polemic.
I am sure what you say is relevant in the extreme and ought to be heard perhaps more often. altho not more than once a day
altho I am sure that no one on the IPP scheme has averred Mohd ( pbuh) is a paedo
mm yep sure I am
but thank yo all the same