Corbyn Would Win A Snap Election

[retrocop]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6919951/Jeremy-Corbyn-win-general-election-Conservatives-face-losing-60-seats-Brexit.html

If this poll were to be accurate then one would assume any rational Prime Minister would ask why they will lose so many seats. Is it not an indication that the Tory's traditional supporters, who seem to be converting to UKIP and Mr Farages in droves actually want a Brexit?
Worst Tory Prime Minister since Heath imo.

[ichkeria]

The Tories are likely to be the only mainstream party seriously backing Brexit assuming that is even still on the agenda of the mainstream. Voting for single issue parties is always ever going to be a minority protest vote, whether you like it or not. It’s a big mistake to think they just because you feel strongly about something so does everyone else and that applies to both sides of the EU in or out argument.

[retrocop]

//So you don't care what the Brexit party will do about defence, social services etc," //

I am more concerned what a Labour/SNP alliance would do to our defence capabilities. You could kiss goodbye to HMSNB Clyde for starters.

[naomi24]

//The Tories are likely to be the only mainstream party seriously backing Brexit //

I presume that's a joke.

[jno]

parliament (including May) is more keen on thwarting Brexit than in the state of their own parties

OG, May demonstrated exactly the opposite: she called a snap election to reinforce the position of the Tories, when she should have stuck with the majority she had.

[ichkeria]

I can’t see Labour, the Lib Dems, SNP, Greens, Change UK, PC for example putting “let’s leave the EU” ok their manifestos for the next election.
Can you?
I’m not sure I can even see the Tories doing it either to be honest, depending on when any election is, whether Brexit has already occurred, or what sort of party it is as a result of the recent infighting and er May-hem.

[dannyk13]

ich, Brexit will have been done and dusted by the time of the next election.

[ichkeria]

So there you go then

[naomi24]

//Brexit will have been done and dusted by the time of the next election. //

For 'done and dusted' read trashed.

[bhg481]

Retrocop - that's the point I'm trying (badly) to make. You vote for a party with a single item on its agenda, overlooking important items like defence, and by splitting the vote end up getting a government whose views you largely disagree with. Incidentally, my views on defence and social spending are the same as yours and NellieMay.

[ichkeria]

That poll is completely predictable: Tories losing seats because any “Brexit defection” is likely to cost them seats rather than do Labour harm. Similarly they will suffer from being deserted by Remain voters too. That scenario shows 14 extra Lib Dems and zero UKIP. It doesn’t I think factor in the possibility of an electoral pact between Lib Dems and Change UK for any similar between Farages party and UKIP tho at the moment they seem to hate each other more than they hate the EU so that seems unlikely.
It is the nightmare scenario for the Conservative party: exactly why Cameron called a referendum, irony of ironies.

[Hopkirk]

I think it is incredibly hard to predict a general election at the moment. Many traditionally Labour voters wanted Brexit.

Standing MPs of all parties will be scrutinised to see how they have acted recently. Those who have played games will suffer. I suspect all of the Independent Group will be ousted.

[naomi24]

//Many traditionally Labour voters wanted Brexit. //

Clearly an unpalatable truth around here, Hopkirk.

[jno]

many traditional Tory voters wanted to stay too, Hopkirk - the Conservative party has always been the one most divided over Europe.

The real divide seems to be between city and countryside: I think Birmingham was the only city that voted for Brexit?

[mushroom25]

just what would the labour leadership - or indeed the conservative leadership - put in their manifesto about Brexit? would either be bold enough to proclaim themselves as 100% for or against? if they did, would they then have to deselect any candidates who held an opposing view?

[ichkeria]

Which is odd when you think about it.
You’d think Liverpool perhaps would be Brexit Central but it wasn’t and isn’t

[ichkeria]

That was to jno

[jno]

ichkeria, I assume - but do not know - that as a port, Liverpool has a long history of not panicking about immigrants, which may have made a difference.

[ichkeria]

Our town voted Remain v strongly. Head out into the wealthier immigrant-free shires and it’s Brexit territory.

[mushroom25]

//Our town voted Remain v strongly. Head out into the wealthier immigrant-free shires and it’s Brexit territory. //

…...Brexit is a race issue then?

[ichkeria]

I think it’s a complex issue.

I don’t think in answer to your question that a party needs to select or deselect anyone on the basis of their views in the EU.