It's All Hotting Up In The Labour Party

[youngmafbog]

Seems the split is just as great there, wonder if out Marxist supporters on here who continually bang on about the Tory splits have something to say?


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6976583/Labours-war-second-referendum-Jeremy-Corbyns-deputy-Tom-Watson-walks-shadow-cabinet.html

[Gromit]

Brexit has failed so far because Theresa May could not get enough of her Conservative MPs to support her deal, because they are massively split on EU membership.

Corbyn and Watson holding differing views is irrelevant.

[ichkeria]

Two friends of mine, one a Labour Party member, one a Conservative, resigned from their respective parties yesterday. Both are Remainers.
I can see why Labour are doing what they’re doing: they are desperately trying to keep the party united. The nonsense that they are trying to unite the country is just that. In the short term they face a drubbing from the Lib Dems in London on Thursday.
Meanwhile the far left in the Labour Party is licking its lips at the prospect of a disastrous “Tory Brexit”, something the Brexit lobby should reflect on.

[douglas9401]

Is it opinion from Marxists only or will you accept views from Vichy British, quislings and traitors in general?

Asking for a friend.

Corbyn and Watson are almost as important to me as Harry and Megs but slightly less aware of their surroundings and not as influential.

[JF85]

It tickles me that you are so afraid of Labour.

[youngmafbog]

"It tickles me that you are so afraid of Labour."

I'm not, I am afraid of the commie Marxists, especially when the leader holds up Venezuela as his utopia and so should everyone.

[youngmafbog]

"Brexit has failed so far because Theresa May could not get enough of her Conservative MPs to support her deal" Errr, Brexit is a cross PArty issue have you not learnt that after so many years?

"Corbyn and Watson holding differing views is irrelevant."
How? They both represent factions within the same party, same as the Tories.

[gulliver1]

Not Forgetting "The Conservative Party " had the Biggest Parliamentary defeat ever in History , with their Brexit Vote .PMSL

[Old_Geezer]

None of them have any moral right to be massively split. The MPs are representing the country, and it voted out. No decent deal was forthcoming so we should have already left with no deal. It's not like they've spent much time discussing future trade over the years anyway. To have one party officially supporting the bad deal that a no deal was better than, and the other officially supporting ignoring the declared will of the people, is an utter disgrace.

[Gromit]

// "Corbyn and Watson holding differing views is irrelevant."
How? They both represent factions within the same party, same as the Tories. //

Corbyn supports another referendum if there is not a general election soon.
Watson supports another referendum now.

They both agree that there can be a EURef2, they just have different criteria for enacting it. That is to say, it is more of a minor disagreement than a split.

[Gromit]

Of the 317 Conservative MPs, 139 voted for Brexit.
Of the 262 Labour MPs, 9 voted for Brexit.

Both parties are not united, but the difference of disagreement is huge in the Conservative MPs, and Very minor in Labour. The two splits are not comparable, and it is disingenuous to try and present them as the same.

[naomi24]

JF85 , // It tickles me that you are so afraid of Labour.//

A self-defeating sense of humour you have there.

[ichkeria]

I’d be willing to bet that Corbyn supports whatever Seumas Milne wants: which is Brexit untainted by the hand of Labour.
All the hard left in Labour, such an party chairman and convicted embezzler Ian Lavery, want is a chronic Brexit so they can rise to the rescue with their disastrous economic remedies.
They are prepared to take the short term electoral hit for what they think will be the long term March to Victory.

[Khandro]

The MPs seem to be a little out of tune with the country they are supposed to represent. They perhaps should follow the advice of Bertolt Brecht (to the Communist Regime) and should, "dismiss the people and appoint a new one".

How is the country split?

ACCORDING TO LEAVE / REMAIN
Votes in referendum 17.4m / 16.1m
Constituency 406 / 242
Labour constituency 148 / 84
Conservative constituency 247 / 80
Region 9 / 3

MPs 160 / 486

[Gromit]

Corbyn has been anti EU all his political life, and finds himself leading (I use that term loosely) a Party that is pro EU.

Meanwhile May, who has always supported EU membership, is charged with delivering Brexit (and failing).

Funny game politics.

[dannyk13]

//Funny game politics.//
That's the problem, it is exactly that to a lot of MP's, a game.