Your Next Holiday......

[ToraToraTora]

You arrive at the airport and get checked in and are about to board when you look out of the window and see the plane is a 737 MAX. Would you get on it?
https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/boeing-737-max-software-mcas-ethiopian-airlines-crash-a8891686.html
I don't care what assurances the CEO gives I want the pilot to be able to turn the software off if he needs to. 300+ people are dead because of poor software and an increasing arrogant belief that software is fool proof. I've worked all my life in software and there is no way I'd get on one of these.

[ichkeria]

In the unlikely event I noticed I’d point out that the entire fleet was supposed to have been grounded and is there some mistake

[pixie374]

Neither would I. The problem is never going to be "just" the software or "just" a human. The biggest danger is the combination of the two together.

[CrapAtCryptics]

I take an interest in all things travel so I choose a flight often based on the type of plane and the seating, the flight times and general comfort - so my answer would be no to a Max

[Zacs-Master]

From Bazile's link
'Would I be willing to fly a 737 MAX at this point? Yes, probably. That’s simply because I think even the least safe way of flying is safer than other forms of transportation. It’s also why I don’t choose airlines based on their safety records.'

[sanmac]

On my previous post on this thread I mentioned stalling-speed. Tnat brought back memories of many years ago when I was taking flying lessons in a Cessna 150. One day the instructor said it was time to learn how to get out of a stall. However, in order to do that you first have to create a stall, so he put the plane into a really nose-up attitude at around 2,000feet and within a few seconds the horrendous blaring of a klaxon sounded in the cabin indicating a stall, and the plane immediately went nose down almost vertically...Quite scary to say the least. After a few solos I was told to practice the maneuver of recovering from a stall. The first few times I never did feel really comfortable doing it. I can sort of imagine the terror of the passengers in those few seconds prior to the crash.

[pixie374]

How many times has Dennis Muilenberg been on one of these himself? I have googled, but couldn't find anything relevant.

[calmck]

As far as I know all the 737 Max are grounded, definitely in the US. I would not board one at the moment. Hopefully the fault is able to be corrected and when they do fly again I would wait a while before boarding one

[Peter Pedant]

// Now the software has proven to be unreliable, why not examine the crap out of it?//

error detection software cant detect ALL ( or every error) program errors because ( short halting problem follows) you put the error programme through itself and tweak the output to say 'no error' if there is, and 'error free' if it finds one
and th outputs are discordant.

or...... if an error detection prog was perfect then you could use it to detect if programs halted or not ( that is looped) and you cant do that either. (proof by reduction)

[sanmac]

The FAA has not grounded these planes.

[Peter Pedant]

fave proof that the Halting Problem cannot be solved.
and if you cd - you cd make error detection perfect.
you can't either

[DTCwordfan]

Yes, plain and simple - risk

//(adapted) You arrive at the airport and get a bus/coach ticket and are about to board when you look out of the window and see the coach is a charter. Would you get on it?//

Considerably more chance on the above than the plane that you will be pushing the daisies up.

[calmck]

I think you will find that the US FAA grounded all 737 MAX 8 and 9 on March 11 or 13. Reported by NY Times and NBC. Trying to find link

[spathiphyllum]

PP, surely humans are H?

[calmck]

737 MAX grounded see. www.nbcnews/us-news/boeing-s-737

[sanmac]

My response was based on the post at 1624.

[Prudie]

I always ensure I know what type of plane I'll be flying on, usually by paying for pre-booked seats - and no I wouldn't get on one even with the upgrade as I'm a very nervous flier.

[retrocop]

Sanmac
Was that opposite stick and rudder to get out of a stall. It was in a glider?

[sanmac]

I believe it was, Retro; however, it was so long ago:) The one thing that is still clear in my mind was the first time I heard the blare of that klaxon!

[ToraToraTora]

it appears that TOVI has some IT knowledge, I need a lie down.

[rockyracoon]

Thank God Jet2 don’t own any. I’ve just paid for my holiday.