No 'togetherness' In Some Of Our Cities It Would Seem.

[anotheoldgit]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6990645/Ghetto-Britain-complex-division-Nigel-Farages-dog-whistle-politics.html

/// The highest concentration of Muslims is in Glodwick. One of the residents who answered the door to me was a woman, in traditional Islamic dress, who could not speak English; her son, 22-year-old Aqil, told me she had arrived in the country from Pakistan when she was in her 20s. She was now 60. ///

Been in this country for 40 years and still can't speak English????????

[dannyk13]

Naomi, I think that the problem is possibly that younger members of the family who do speak English interpret for the elders who find it difficult to adapt because of their age.

[naomi24]

She was 20 when she arrived, danny.

[Peter Pedant]

// Been in this country for 40 years and still can't speak English???????? //

yepp - cultural domination. the husbands dont allow the women to learn Angleesh because it liberates them

o god this has been around a long time AOG - at least since the seventies - er fifty years ago, that is - put your calculator away, sir!

I stitched - er sewed up a Turkish man of 50 who hadnt ever bothered to learn English - N london turkish community ws close knit and diverse

the thing about the asians is the lack of language keeps them in the house and that is where the men want them

and so ..... the translation services in the NHS are being wound down as an incentive to learn the lingo - and the kids again are translating for the mothers

have you ever tried to take a gynae history from a mother with an eight year old translating - how much blood, is it painful ....

honestly as with brexit - we have been thro all this before.....

[what about presenting as an ill English speaker in Araby, in a hospital? Medical courses are mostly taught in English]

[dannyk13]

Oh! ok.

[Peter Pedant]

// Do all the ex-pats in Spain, for example, speak Spanish after living there for decades?//

erm no you can shop in Tescos in Malaga ( or somewhere else) in English. but why dont we ask Sqad ?

As for the Thai thpeaker above - presumably having difficulty with tones - who wont get his arriss down to a language school - I have no idea why

I am learning Arabic ( second year of this course) - when I was first there in 1980, an archeologist I found out had been brought up in Khartoum, and couldnt speak a word! She passed herself off as having been brought up in London....Dorothy Hodgkin's sister. She also never said - My sister has a Nobel Prize!
we english keep such secrets from each other

[sanmac]

I like the juxtaposition of the photos from the abominable abnormality of the ghetto to the quaint normality of the cricket match just up the road.

[jno]

abominable? What, a shop selling groceries and Loot? Or do you mean the non-white people outside it?

[sanmac]

Keep in mind that the photos are viewed in context with the rest of the article such as:" A petty argument, about football, between Asian and white teenagers earlier in the evening, had escalated into a full-scale riot with barricades of furniture and burning tyres erected in the streets.

Mobs from both sides of the racial divide fought running battles with each other and the police culminating, just after 11pm, in the storming of the pub. The violence continued throughout the week and spread to other Northern towns."

[THECORBYLOON]

DOUGLAS, from a 2016 article about Britons living in Spain.,

'Encouragingly, in a recent online survey conducted by the Foreign Office, 58 per cent of the 1,592 respondents claimed to speak Spanish regularly with friends while 36 per cent asserted that they were taking lessons.

An embassy spokesman said: "If you’re planning on moving to Spain making plans to learn the language is key to integrating." All the same, 49 per cent of the 65-74 age group who took part in the survey insisted that it was possible to get by without Spanish.'

Almost half of those aged 65-75 didn't speak Spanish. Even if the 36% taking Spanish lessons were not included in the 58% speaking Spanish to friends, that leaves 4%, so yes, I'm sure.

[THECORBYLOON]

The 4% should be 6%...

[gulliver1]

Can not see a problem with not being able to speak " English ".
TTT says he was born here , but he can not speak " English " But some of us still manage to understand him, So what ? .

[retrocop]

Perhaps if all official government official forms were not printed in god knows how many languages and the NHS and court authorities did not hire official interpreters at a cost of millions per year to tax payers then our guests might have to learn the language of their host country. No European country supplies English speaking services or intepreters to Brits as far as I know unless they stump up the moulahs first.

[sanmac]

Gulliver1, I am sure that you know, as the rest of us do, that TTT is probably quite fluent with English and does often trespass into the use of initialisms in order to make the conversation interesting; however, we are here discussing people who come over to the UK and REFUSE to learn the language of the country which bestows upon them bountiful gifts and so forth.

[vetuste_ennemi]

Isn't there a difference between a small self-segregating group of elderly well-off Brits who have retired to the Costa Brava and a more numerous self-segregating group with a high birth rate established in all England's major towns and cities?



cities and towns?

[-Talbot-]

6 entries from TCL...(all about people living in Spain)

[10ClarionSt]

I just love this web site. Here speak the unknowing. I live very close to Glodwick. The community there is mainly of Yemeni origin. And they are not very nice. Don't start jumping on all your self-righteous band wagons. You don't know this area. I do. You only know what is put in the media to manipulate people, and so you form your opinions on that.

[anotheoldgit]

We hear much of deprived areas, are these areas also deprived of council services or is it just that the councils can't keep up with their untidiness?

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/05/03/22/13065470-6990645-One_side_of_Oldham-a-24_1556918068397.jpg

[THECORBYLOON]

TALBOT, a point was made about an immigrant not having learnt the local language after forty years. Am I not allowed to use comparisons from other countries?

[THECORBYLOON]

ANOTHEOLDGIT, Oldham Council says it's having to make cuts for the tenth year in a row and is proposing reducing bin-collections from fortnightly to three-weekly.