Why Have There Not Been Any Arrests Over This Escalating, Homophobic And Disruptive Protest?

[anotheoldgit]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7058963/Children-issue-not-disturb-plea-protesters-amid-LGBT-lessons-row.html

/// Mr Thompson expressed his 'increasing concern' over the rhetoric of the demonstrations, and said a number of criminal offences had been committed outside the school since Sunday night. ///

/// The force received reports at 9.30pm on Sunday of assault and criminal damage on Dennis Road in Moseley, as well as reports of malicious communications received by the school on Thursday. ///

[sanmac]

Equality does not always equate to normalcy. Yes, Mushroom, very good post.

[Calicogirl]

//Calco gal, so in the pursuit of equality it is all right to ride roughshod over the fact that it is against someones religious teaching.//

Rather than people's religious rights riding roughshod over other people right to exist on an equal footing as the law proscribes? That's been going on for a couple of thousand years with all of the Abramic religions Danny, but is that okay?

If you do not teach something is normal and okay to be, you by definition imply that it's not- that is not equality with the greatest respect.

[spathiphyllum]

"Equality does not always equate to normalcy. Yes, Mushroom, very good post."

Or equity.

Give everyone in the world a step ladder, what use does it have for disabled people.

[spathiphyllum]

"right to exist on an equal footing"

Is that a UK law?

[spathiphyllum]

"If you do not teach something is normal and okay to be, you by definition imply that it's not-"

I disagree personally.

[dannyk13]

Calicogirl //f you do not teach something is normal and okay to be, you by definition imply that it's not//
That is not true, the children at these schools do not think that somebody is abnormal just because they haven't been taught that the person is normal.

[New Judge]

"..and many Muslim people feel it is against their religion."

Then they should either self-educate their children or relocate elsewhere. We're back to the same argument in that "mission creep" is enduring in this country to accommodate different religious beliefs. The argument about the age of the children concerned is thus immaterial. If a legal practice is "against their parents' religion" it will remain so whether the children are five or fifteen.

[dannyk13]

Calicogirl, Can I ask what you would do, or think, if a child of yours was being taught that to be a pagan is abnormal?

[dannyk13]

NJ,//Then they should either self-educate their children or relocate elsewhere//
Does this also apply to the thousands of Jews that live here?

[Calicogirl]

//Calicogirl, Can I ask what you would do, or think, if a child of yours was being taught that to be a pagan is abnormal?//

I'm not quite following your logic Danny, no-one is teaching that anyone is 'abnormal' just that people who are gay/ bi are normal. Your proposal is not the same thing at all, no-one is proposing that anyone brands Christians as 'abnormal' because of their religious belief, just that children are led to understand that whoever's religious beliefs ( christian, Jew, Muslim, Pagan- whichever religion) do not trump UK law and is not necessarily the final word on it, they are imply that person's personal beliefs.

[mushroom25]

//Does this also apply to the thousands of Jews that live here? //

doubt it. although homosexuality is referenced in less than complimentary terms in Levicticus, modern Judaism takes the view that it's only taboo if the adherents are free to choose that path. being gay isn't a lifestyle choice, you are what you are. QED. and in fact gays can attend Rabbi schools.

[dannyk13]

Calicogirl, the point that I am trying to make is , what would you do or think if a teacher was teaching your child something that was against your religion of predeliction (Paganism or other subject)

[jackthehat]

I would object if my child had been taught that anyone LGBT was 'abnormal', dannyk.

[sanmac]

People who are gay/bi are not normal. Just because they now have equality under the law does not automatically bestow normalcy upon them. "Normal: 1.
conforming to a standard; usual, typical, or expected.
"it's quite normal for puppies to bolt their food"
synonyms: usual, standard, typical, stock, common, ordinary, customary, conventional, habitual, accustomed, expected, wonted, everyday, regular, routine, day-to-day, daily, established, settled, set, fixed, traditional, quotidian, prevailing." And no, I didn't seek out or "cherry-pick" that definition; it was the first one I came across.

[dannyk13]

JTH, and rightly so, but that is not what we are discussing.

[Calicogirl]

If it was within UK law then tbh nothing Danny. People's religious opinions are their own (mine included- my father is a lapsed Catholic, my mother Jewish and we're loosely and individually Pagan) but none of that trumps laws made for the benefit of all society. If it was something super drastic I would consider removing my child, but I can't imagine tbh anything that would cause that to happen under present legislation.

[dannyk13]

Calicogirl, so you would quite happy for your child to be taught that he/she was abnormal.

[Calicogirl]

But it is Danny,by omission that would be the implication.

[spathiphyllum]

It sounds offensive, but i don't mean it so. But i agree with sanmac. It's not normal for humans to be with the same sex, because then we would't exist.. Biologically we need to be with man and woman.

However that's not to say it is wrong or negative to be in a same sex relationship.. it's just not the norm.

It's also not the "norm" to have a baby and give it to a same sex couple.

[spathiphyllum]

I never learned about transvestites or LGBT issues at schools.. i grew up to see the LGBT community as normal.. So no the act of not teaching something to be normal, is not teaching people that it is abnormal.