I'd Have Thought That Bercow Would Have Grasped That No Deal Is The Default....

[ToraToraTora]

https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-john-bercow-warns-tory-hopefuls-that-mps-will-block-no-deal-brexit-11730563
....it can't be blocked, if we do nowt we are out, end of. No deal does not have to pass through the HOQ.

[dannyk13]

TTT, don't underestimate the Speaker, he will do his damndest to thwart Brexit

[ToraToraTora]

how?

[dannyk13]

By bending the rules, as he did when he did not allow a third vote on May's deal.He is a weasel who cannot be trusted to be impartial.

[New Judge]

Believe me, 3Ts, as much as I would like to dismiss the idea, Parliament will not allow a "No Deal" departure. Some method will be brought forward (probably with the connivance of Mr Speaker) to prevent it. If push comes to shove I can see a motion of "No Confidence" succeeding. I find it amusing that the prospect of the UK leaving the EU on WTO terms seems to appear more suicidal to some Tory MPs than the prospect of a Marxist government. There's nowt so queer as folk. I think anybody considering voting Tory in the short to medium term ought to reflect on whether they are voting for a party, many of whose members seem to have lost their marbles.

The choice for the UK is straightforward (as it has been from June 2016): it either leaves the UK on 31st October with no agreement (or "permission to leave" as I prefer it) or it does not leave at all

[ToraToraTora]

no one has yet explain how they can stop it. It's like closing time in the pub, voting for later won't stop it. If the new Tory leader sits on his hands till Halloween, how can no deal be prevented?

[ToraToraTora]

bear in mind that the leave date of 29th March, is still an act of parliament only delayed by a SI, they barely have time to repeal that.

[dannyk13]

TTT, until the Speaker shows his hand no one can say how,

[ToraToraTora]

the speaker is the referee, he does not put business before parliament.

[dannyk13]

TTT, he actually decides what business is put before the HOC.

[ToraToraTora]

yes indeed, no business needed for No deal. If we do nowt we are out.

[ladybirder]

What Bercow has to say here about No Deal worries me. Independent Speaker? My rrrrrrrrrs.
https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-john-bercow-warns-tory-hopefuls-that-mps-will-block-no-deal-brexit-11730563

[ToraToraTora]

he can say what he likes he can't do owt about it.

[ToraToraTora]

Bercow and his HOQ cannot block waht does not come before them. The new PM has to simply sit on his hands and we leave on Halloween, end of.

[Gromit]

On 13th March, the House of Commons rejected ‘No Deal’ It voted by 321 to 278 in favour of a motion to rule out leaving the EU with no deal.

Changing the Conservative leadership does not alter the mathematics of the Chamber. There will be a vote and MPs will reject No Deal again.

[Peter Pedant]

how do you get rid of a Speaker
dont you have to shoot him or something ?

does a loyal addres by both houses work ?
or does it have to be a loyal address for cause ?

( ie NOT for we want him to go because we are tired of him
BUT we want him to go because he has been a nardy boy )

sozza chaps cant put that in three-word-sentences

[New Judge]

//There will be a vote and MPs will reject No Deal again.//

Not as things currently stand, there won't. The "Cooper/Letwin" Bill forced Mrs May to return to the EU to seek an extension (from April to October). That Bill had specific dates in it and has now lapsed. It was not a continuous or renewable instruction.

The HoC is not in such a strong position to control events as it was in the early part of this year in that it no longer has the facility of "indicative votes" available to it (from which the Cooper/Letwin Bill was born). So it is not so straightforward. Nonetheless, I still believe a way will be found to block our departure.

[Gromit]

Not sure if I have this correct, but a Withdrawal Agreement (of some kind) has to be ratified by Parliament to make it legal.
May had scheduled another vote on trice rejected proposition for this month, but that was postponed until June 4th. May remains in office until July 7th.
Don’t know what happens next.

[cassa333]

But if the new PM just sits on their hands and does nowt as you say the rest of parliament will be working to back some amendment or other that will do exactly the opposite of leave.

Don’t underestimate the sheer desperation and gall of
Remain.

And not forgetting the LiB Dems have been bolstered by the protest vote they envision is actually for them....

[JF85]

"By bending the rules, as he did when he did not allow a third vote on May's deal"

If Bercow had not intervened, May would likely have returned her alleged compromise to the Commons repeatedly until she won by attrition.

Would you have preferred that?

[ToraToraTora]

Gromit: "On 13th March, the House of Commons rejected ‘No Deal’ It voted by 321 to 278 in favour of a motion to rule out leaving the EU with no deal. " - err no it didn't it forced Mrs May to seek a further extension, you cannot reject the default you have to put something in the way.
"Not sure if I have this correct, but a Withdrawal Agreement (of some kind) has to be ratified by Parliament to make it legal. " - correct but nothing needs to be put before the HOQ for the default.
JF85: "If Bercow had not intervened, May would likely have returned her alleged compromise to the Commons repeatedly until she won by attrition.

Would you have preferred that? " - no as I have said many times, i'd rather remain.