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Why Does The Left So Enthusiastically Embrace Climate Change?
Is it because it sits nicely with their anti capitalist agenda?
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YMB. Why on earth do you say that we should embrace climate change? If it might be happening, we should strive to prevent it, surely.
If scientists said that there was a 1 in a hundred probability that a tunnel would collapse sometime in the near future, would you happily send your family through it, or would you perhaps wait until repairs had been carried out?
If scientists said that there was a 1 in a hundred probability that a tunnel would collapse sometime in the near future, would you happily send your family through it, or would you perhaps wait until repairs had been carried out?
//“ there is little, if anything we can do about it“
Balderdash, there is plenty we can do. Try listen to professional //
Well that wont be you will it.
I have researched this quite a bit actually, undoubtedly far more than you. Most things that are done in the name of 'being green' turn out not to be green at all since every action has a consequence that is not either seen or thought of up front.
For me I just wish they would loose the 'climate change' rubbish and concentrate on pollution. It amounts to much the same but with the difference we can actually see pollution and there is no doubt that it causes problems.
Balderdash, there is plenty we can do. Try listen to professional //
Well that wont be you will it.
I have researched this quite a bit actually, undoubtedly far more than you. Most things that are done in the name of 'being green' turn out not to be green at all since every action has a consequence that is not either seen or thought of up front.
For me I just wish they would loose the 'climate change' rubbish and concentrate on pollution. It amounts to much the same but with the difference we can actually see pollution and there is no doubt that it causes problems.
// Just out of interest do you discount Natural causes as a factor in 'climate change' ? //
No of course I don't. It doesn't have to be either one or the other though, does it? On the other hand, I've mentioned several thousands of times on this site that the key point when it comes to natural sources is to consider both what they pump into the atmosphere and what they take out. Human activity is adding to what goes in while also severely reducing what gets taken out.
As to the rest of your post, I don't think that "Most of it is guesswork" is even remotely accurate. Maybe it starts with a guess but after that if your guess doesn't fit to either the data or to any sort of sensible theoretical model then you quickly have to discard the guess and make a new one, thus rendering the charge of "guesswork" utterly false.
No of course I don't. It doesn't have to be either one or the other though, does it? On the other hand, I've mentioned several thousands of times on this site that the key point when it comes to natural sources is to consider both what they pump into the atmosphere and what they take out. Human activity is adding to what goes in while also severely reducing what gets taken out.
As to the rest of your post, I don't think that "Most of it is guesswork" is even remotely accurate. Maybe it starts with a guess but after that if your guess doesn't fit to either the data or to any sort of sensible theoretical model then you quickly have to discard the guess and make a new one, thus rendering the charge of "guesswork" utterly false.
"YMB. Why on earth do you say that we should embrace climate change? If it might be happening, we should strive to prevent it, surely. "
A very reasonable question unlike another.
My reasonaing is that it is going to happen, so embrace it by not building on flood planes, moving people top places of saftey and understanding how we can live with it.
If you go along the route of 'we can fix it' then what happenes if you dont.
Perhaps embrace was the wrong term?
A very reasonable question unlike another.
My reasonaing is that it is going to happen, so embrace it by not building on flood planes, moving people top places of saftey and understanding how we can live with it.
If you go along the route of 'we can fix it' then what happenes if you dont.
Perhaps embrace was the wrong term?
If you mean by "embrace" something close to "accept that it is likely to be the future and plan for the worst" then I guess I'd agree with that. The current status is that we need to more or less solve the problem by 2030 (give or take a few years) or it'll be too late -- which realistically means that it's too late, especially whilst the US and China are not really doing nearly enough about the issue, and while even if the UK does put enough pressure on them to adopt more ambitious targets it would still only be for a target 20 years later than what scientists are recommending. The only thing I'd add is that we should try to fix it as well as preparing for what happens if (when) we don't. Many of the changes that are necessary also improve the situation with regards to pollution anyway.
// The problem is jim so much of funding comes through finding the 'right answer' //
No amount of funding can make the data tell you something that isn't true, or make models that lead to whatever prediction to want. To be blunt, I don't think scientists are actually clever enough to fix it that way.
Again, to take particle physics as a random example, you can insist that the right answer is SuperSymmetry as much as you like, but if it doesn't actually fit the data then you can't fake it, which explains why essentially every experimental paper from CERN that starts with "Search for New Physics" has in the conclusions "no evidence is found... limits are set on the model..." etc etc. One of the other reasons why nothing has been found is that scientists have developed a great way to ensure that they aren't fooling themselves, known as "blinding", which basically means that they don't let themselves see the results until the analysis is completed -- by which time it's too late to fake it.
Besides which, I'm pretty confident that companies with vested interests in continued use of fossil fuels, deforestation, etc, aren't exactly starved of cash either.
No amount of funding can make the data tell you something that isn't true, or make models that lead to whatever prediction to want. To be blunt, I don't think scientists are actually clever enough to fix it that way.
Again, to take particle physics as a random example, you can insist that the right answer is SuperSymmetry as much as you like, but if it doesn't actually fit the data then you can't fake it, which explains why essentially every experimental paper from CERN that starts with "Search for New Physics" has in the conclusions "no evidence is found... limits are set on the model..." etc etc. One of the other reasons why nothing has been found is that scientists have developed a great way to ensure that they aren't fooling themselves, known as "blinding", which basically means that they don't let themselves see the results until the analysis is completed -- by which time it's too late to fake it.
Besides which, I'm pretty confident that companies with vested interests in continued use of fossil fuels, deforestation, etc, aren't exactly starved of cash either.
why do the left..... etc
er why dont the right wake up and smell the forest fire ?
OK time for a joke - didja hear BoJo on the radio this morning exclaim "now lets get one thing straight between us..." and the hackette said No boris you are on the radio and I was asking about finance ...
ter daah
I was gonna put tax cuts and not sex cuts
who sez posters on AB dont have a sense of humour
er why dont the right wake up and smell the forest fire ?
OK time for a joke - didja hear BoJo on the radio this morning exclaim "now lets get one thing straight between us..." and the hackette said No boris you are on the radio and I was asking about finance ...
ter daah
I was gonna put tax cuts and not sex cuts
who sez posters on AB dont have a sense of humour
The science overwhelmingly says that climate change is happening.
If you are a climate change denier don't come running to me in ten or twenty years time saying "Why did nobody do anything to stop this?"
Strange how we ignore experts when it suits us. Few people would say "I know how to fly an airliner because I have watched them take off and land". But people who have spent their entire adult lives studying the subject of climate science..."Ha, what do they know, they are just experts?"
If you are a climate change denier don't come running to me in ten or twenty years time saying "Why did nobody do anything to stop this?"
Strange how we ignore experts when it suits us. Few people would say "I know how to fly an airliner because I have watched them take off and land". But people who have spent their entire adult lives studying the subject of climate science..."Ha, what do they know, they are just experts?"
I too wish rubbish and pollution took precedence. I don't see any quick fixes for adverse weather conditions, but we can do a lot about plastics polluting our landscape and our oceans. All those kids who skipped school to march against climate change would have been more positively employed in being seen to be clearing up our beaches and countryside. That would have made a far greater impact upon the rest of our society - and the world.
modernisation comes at a cost to us all, and the third world want the same modernisation..how many millions of jobs world wide are dependant on fossil fuels, cars plastics medicines et al... all these people will need alternative employment, let alone all the products
we all love so much, and also keeping the lights on and heating.
we could all could cut back on a lot of things, but i do not think
its going to happen, people are mostly fickle..not my problem.
we all love so much, and also keeping the lights on and heating.
we could all could cut back on a lot of things, but i do not think
its going to happen, people are mostly fickle..not my problem.
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