Extinction Rebellion Are Marching Today............

[10ClarionSt]

...........here in Manchester. I've got my poster ready and I'm going to greet them. My poster reads:

CLIMATE CHANGE IS NATURAL

YOU'RE ALL BEING MUGGED

That should raise a few heckles!

[Togo]

The glow bull fanatics are happy to bet the house on their addled "science", but expect us to finance the venture into insanity. We are at less risk from the climate warming up, raised water levels, and reduced ice coverage which is not going to kill billions of people. We can cope with that and take sensible measures to survive it. However if they get their narrow minded and flawed way we will all be paying for the folly that would see wind farms frozen solid, solar panels covered in snow, hydro electric plants covered in ice sheets, and crop failure if we are actually entering an ice age. We will have destroyed our only viable power sources, and the means to survive, on a fanciful whim conjured up by half wits. We won't have the power we need to produce the things we need to pull fossil fuels out of the ground, or build the power plants that could utilise that fuel. Madness.

[jim360]

It's been understood for well over a century that human activity can -- and does -- have negative effects upon our environment and climate. Sure, Climate Change can occur naturally as well. But the present era of climate change is almost certainly linked to human activity.

[Togo]

Whenever I am confronted with the glow bull warming guff, along with all the other manifestations of the current madness that is destroying our societies.....particularly the Western ones, I like to revisit this.

A very distinct pattern has emerged repeatedly when policies favoured by the anointed turn out to fail. This pattern typically has four stages:
STAGE 1. THE “CRISIS”: Some situation exists, whose negative aspects the anointed propose to eliminate. Such a situation is routinely characterised as a “crisis,” even though all human situations have negative aspects, and even though evidence is seldom asked or given to show how the situation at hand is either uniquely bad or threatening to get worse. Sometimes the situation described as a “crisis” has in fact already been getting better for years.
STAGE 2. THE “SOLUTION”: Policies to end the “crisis” are advocated by the anointed, who say that these policies will lead to beneficial results. Critics say that these policies will lead to detrimental results. The anointed dismiss these latter claims as absurd and “simplistic,” if not dishonest.
STAGE 3. THE RESULTS: The policies are instituted and lead to detrimental results.
STAGE 4. THE RESPONSE: Those who attribute detrimental results to the policies instituted are dismissed as “simplistic” for ignoring the “complexities” involved, as “many factors” went into determining the outcome. The burden of proof is put on the critics to demonstrate to a certainty that these policies alone were the only possible cause of the worsening that occurred. No burden of proof whatever is put on those who had so confidently predicted improvement. Indeed, it is often asserted that things would have been even worse, were it not for the wonderful programs that mitigated the inevitable damage from other factors. Examples of this pattern are all too abundant.

Thomas Sowell,

You can apply that to any of the recent manufactured emergencies that are dreamt up on a daily basis by the "professional" interferers and manipulators.

[jim360]

Or you could read and study the scientific papers and understand that it's not guff at all, and it's only political interests that serve to promote the pseudoscientific claim that current human activity has no effect on the planet's climate.

Have you ever read about the history of the lead crisis? Same basic set-up:

1. The Science was clear very early on.
2. People and companies who made money from selling lead-based products muddied the waters.
3. Suckers lapped it up.
4. Nothing was done for decades.
5. People's long-term health suffered needlessly as a result.
6. Finally the scientific truth won through.
7. Something was done.
8. Drastic improvements were seen almost instantly.

Although it's worth noting that the battle to remove lead-based products from our lives isn't even over yet, especially in the US.

[Togo]

Lead pipes Jim? Haha even the Romans realised that lead was not conducive to human good health. We replaced them with plastic of course. That went well didn't it.

[jim360]

I'm also referring to lead paint, leaded petrol, lead roofs, and so on. Also, in actual fact many homes in the world still use lead piping.

[Togo]

Did you ever, when pondering a particularly difficult conundrum, chew your pencil by any chance Jim? (^_*)

[jim360]

Probably, but there's no lead in pencils is there? :)

10CS is free to protest, of course, and is equally free to be utterly wrong. But the simple fact is that it has been clearly and long-established that humans are contributing to the present period of Climate Change, and it's therefore within our power to at least try and mitigate that.

[tiggerblue10]

I would rather march against the ever growing plastic pollution crisis.

[Bobbisox1]

She's certainly lives up to this
Game Changer of the Year....bringing major cities to a complete standstill

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/greta-thunberg-gq-awards-men-of-the-year-game-changer-2019-a9053571.html

[Togo]

//Probably, but there's no lead in pencils is there? //

That was graphite Jim. The lead was in the paint covering the pencil.

[Spicerack]

Greta is sponsored by Big Energy, jim. Fecks up your simplistic view of the way things work, don't it.

[fiction-factory]

>The only word I agree with Togo was your final word "Madness". Summed your post up perfectly

[vulcan42]

" But the present era of climate change is almost certainly linked to human activity."
I thought this had been proved beyond doubt, that's what we are constantly being told. Now it seems it's a definite maybe.

[dannyk13]

So was the Ice Age also due to human activity?

[david small]

The sheer unbelievable amount of cars, planes, diesel and petrol polluting our planet is truly staggering.
The cumulative effects are far reaching and cost us all dearly. I have no solutions.

[Gromit]

The science of the Greenhouse gas effect has been known for 250 years, it is not new. Horace Bénédict de Saussure Demonstrated the effect, other scientists elaborated on it. It has long been established that naturally occurring gases in our atmosphere trap in the suns’ heat and warms our planet. That level of warming was steady and level for the last couple of thousand years due to natural greenhouse gases not varying much.
But since the industrial revolution when a big increase in fossil fuel usage resulted in a huge increase it the level of greenhouse gases, the level of warming has risen sharply.
The extra heating of our oceans in turn affects our climate. More evaporation from seawater leads to more clouds, more storms, more changes to sea currents and wind currents.
Man has definitely contributed to this increase in greenhouse gases, and the resulting changes in weather patterns.

https://esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/aggi/aggi.html

[Spicerack]

^good theory, gromit.

If you ignore the Roman and the Medieval warm ages.

[Old_Geezer]

Well danny, ice ages are suspected to be caused by a number of possible triggers, probably a combination of many, but nothing that can be related to human activity. So it's considered natural. Whereas the data on climate over the total period we can gather information on shows a marked change when humans come on the scene, with unprecedented rises following the creation of industry; thus it seems highly unlikely this is natural, are very convincing that it's related to what our species have been up to.

[Old_Geezer]

Short term blips can be attributed to other causes, but it doesn't negate the long term correspondance between temp rises are out activity. One doesn't disprove the other.