How Is Juncket Going To Force An Unwilling R O I To Build And Enforce A Border Post No Deal Brexit?

[ToraToraTora]

https://news.sky.com/story/hard-border-on-island-of-ireland-will-return-under-no-deal-brexit-says-eus-juncker-11815168
"A hard border will return on the island of Ireland if Britain leaves the EU without a deal, Jean-Claude Juncker has told Sky News. The European Commission president said he would not be the architect of no-deal but the bloc would have to act to protect its citizens' health and safety."

[Old_Geezer]

Probably easiest to sling Eire out and give Turkey their membership instead.

[shoota]

Is he expecting the UK to become rabid, ravaging rapists on Brexit +1 then?
Or maybe he wants to protect us from rabid, ravaging Rpmanians slipping in through the back door...

[KARL]

Currently (because the UK is not in Schengen and neither can Eire so long as there is an open border with the UK) Eire maintains an EU/UK border which scrutinises all movements of people entering Eire from anywhere - this is in place of such controls at the Eire NI border and across the Irish Sea. In the event of a hard border at the latter line Eire could, if it wishes to, become a member of Schengen and then the current controls would simply move location. What would be new would have the same consequences all around the EU external border, EU/UK/EU movement of goods and services would come in for scrutiny/controls. As I understand it, in principle Eire would like to join Schengen but is currently in effect prevented in so doing by the UK - on a Brexit without a solution to the Eire/NI border issue, the UK forces the setting up of a hard border which, like all other EU border sections, would be regulated, funded and effectively operated by the EU. Both Eire and the EU have said they don't want a hard border (Eire/NI) and the UK has said they do not either.

[ToraToraTora]

yeah thanks karl, care to have a go at the question?

[gulliver1]

The Answer is Scrap Brexit , It's as simple as that.

[Jackdaw33]

No chance of Eire leaving the EU as it is a net beneficiary of its largesse, which will be somewhat diminished when we leave.

[davebro]

"No chance of Eire leaving the EU as it is a net beneficiary of its largesse, which will be somewhat diminished when we leave."

On the figures I saw Eire is a (small) net contributor to the EU budget and that contribution will surely increase when The UK's money stops.

[shoota]

The Irish will have to re-introduce the Punt to patrol their waters...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punt_gun#/media/File:Side_view_of_punt_and_ducks_YORYM-S385.jpg

[ichkeria]

Well it won’t be Juncker anyway as he is leaving (at this rate ironically he might have left before the UK!)
But if a hard border returns it will be through necessity. And would be gradual. And would not happen overnight.
I still think there will be some sort of compromise.

[KARL]

TTT, I thought I was answering the question but perhaps you are correct that someone might not cope unless it is spelled out.

If it comes to it, the EU will set up the border, nobody will force an unwilling Eire to themselves do so. All parties have declared opposition to a hard border but it will come if Brexit ends up demanding it, Brexit being a purely UK project.

Do you think that is clear enough ?

[ToraToraTora]

karl: "If it comes to it, the EU will set up the border," - no, not clear, how are the EUSSR going to force ROI to either build a border or allow them the build it. Invade?

[davebro]

If Brexit happens without an appropriate trade deal and the EU tells Eire to create a hard border they will do it. EU rules - OK! (or why many of us want to Leave)

[ToraToraTora]

so you think that the ROI will construct a border against their wishes? Not like Ireland to do as ordered by a foriegn power but ok!

[Gromit]

We should ask Nigel Farage

// Let's take back control of our borders.
Vote to Leave and make June 23rd Independence day. //

Wasn’t the whole Brexit vote about taking back control of our borders. That is what Farage, Vote Leave and LeaveEU said Many times before the Referendum

And now the same lying hypocrites are saying they don’t want to defend our Border with the EU, they will leave it open, and it is up to the EU to do it (and pay for it).

[ToraToraTora]

well deliberately misunderstood gromit. Your EUSSR masters will be proud.

[Gromit]

// We must break free of the EU and take back control //

Said the poster showing a big line of refugees swarming into the UK.

https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/41/590x/secondary/Ukip-advert-567064.jpg

We take back control of our border by declaring we are not going to have any controls?

Bonehead Cameron was frighten of Bonehead Farage (Whose handy work was this Poster) and he tried to win the Referendum (but Cameron was a serial loser). And the result is this bonehead situation where we are leaving the EU, but the main victory - to take control of our own borders again - we are saying we don’t want it anymore and the EU should do it.

[ToraToraTora]

it's been explained 1000 times gromit, why don't you go and find your mate ZM and some nails and some jelly. I'm not explaining it again.

[Old_Geezer]

To reiterate. Once control is taken back we can opt to leave any part of our border open as we wish. We are in control of that.

There seems a number of answered questions that keep cropping up again and again as if they meant something.