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fender62 | 13:56 Mon 30th Sep 2019 | News
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women want autonomy over there bodies, so be it...this is getting like the mad vegans, invading restaurants with placards shouting abuse. what happened to live and let live.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7520325/Stella-Creasy-MP-calls-Home-Secretary-Priti-Patel-stop-harassment-women-Walthamstow.html
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cassa - // Does a half born child, with its head still in the birth canal and it’s body outside wriggling and kicking deserve to decapitated and killed? // The use of emotive images and languages does not aid the veracity of your point. And again here - // If you chose to murder your unborn child for what can often be no other reason than ‘I’m too stupid to...
15:52 Mon 30th Sep 2019
Totally agree with cassa. Well said cassa.
andy hughes.......perfect answer.
Women seeking abortions for any other reason than serious medical or mental reasons should be made to watch film of an abortion taking place and the resulting 'mess'. Abortion should be illegal after 12 weeks, this would be entirely long enough to realise you were pregnant and did not want to be.
APG - // Women seeking abortions for any other reason than serious medical or mental reasons should be made to watch film of an abortion taking place and the resulting 'mess'. Abortion should be illegal after 12 weeks, this would be entirely long enough to realise you were pregnant and did not want to be. //

Once again you are offering to make moral decisions that are actually not yours to make.

There is no-one in society qualified to say that a woman has 'failed the test' and should therefore be punished by seeing graphic images, or be denied a termination because again, some arbitrary time-limit has been placed on her choice.

There will always be people who, when choice is offered, will make bad choices through ignorance, stupidity, wanton idiocy, and so on - but to deny anyone a choice on the basis of such rules as you suggest is not the way a civilised society behaves.

Yes, it would be great if every pregnancy was wanted, and a successful child rearing was assured, but that is not the way the world turns, and we have to deal with what is, not we would wish for.
AuntPolly - not if her periods are irregular!
Apg, what difference do you think watching a film would make? Do you think women don't understand, or that they don't care?
Not forgetting they have to convince two doctors of their reasonings.
//Once again you are offering to make moral decisions that are actually not yours to make//

They are decisions that society makes. Everyone is entitled to an opinion.
The pro-choice people in the US want full term abortions. The baby is born, taken away, then the mother has 24hrs to decide it's fate.
That's either legal or in the process of being made legal in 2 States.
Is that anyone else's business?
An opinion is just that... providing it doesn't affect anyone else.
Once a baby is born, it is a separate independent person. That is nothing to do with pregnancy then, or abortion.
I can't be bothered to dig out the figures again but I believe half the premature babies, who are born at the UK abortion limit, survive.
Are they not 'independent' people, pixie?
Spicerack - // //Once again you are offering to make moral decisions that are actually not yours to make//

They are decisions that society makes. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. //

Of course they are - the problem arises when someone becomes powerful enough for their opinion to become the way things are.
A viable baby, is, of course, spice. The problem always seems to be with these kinds of conversations, that they veer wildly from one extreme to the other- so both sound totally unreasonable.
In reality, the majority won't be at either extreme, but somewhere in the middle... and the question is really, where should a line be drawn... and "if". My views are, that there are obvious limits, but if in doubt, it obviously has to be up to the woman. I can't see any reason why somebody else should be allowed to overrule her.
Out of these states... are you saying that a woman can give birth to a full-term, healthy baby and then decide to have him/her euthanised the day after? Is that literally it? And how many mothers have chosen it... and why?
That is literally it. I don't know if it is legal yet. I know many Democrat Presidential candidates are in favour of it. Look up abortion law in NY.
I couldn't tell you why woman would want to do it.
Spicerack - // I couldn't tell you why woman would want to do it. //

Do what?
Ok, spice. To me, that is unacceptable. But I would really like to see the numbers who have actually chosen to do this, and their reasons why.
Have a full term abortion, which is what Pixie asked me.
Spicerack - // Have a full term abortion, which is what Pixie asked me. //

Your gender is not set here - if you are a woman, then your point is a fair one, if you are a man, then of course you don't understand, you are a man.
That really makes no sense to me, as once a woman has risked her life with pregnancy and giving birth, then the worst would be putting the child into care. Not a great start, I agree, but probably better than death...

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