How Has No Deal Been Taken Off The Table?

[ToraToraTora]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50221856
By what mechanism can it be taken off the table?

[ToraToraTora]

"Don’t ask me I’m not Corbyn. " - nowt to do with Cob, it's the Government I'm talking about, if they now have the numbers use FTPA less agro all round

[THECORBYLOON]

The vote yesterday, using the FTPA, wasn't large enough.

[jim360]

I suspect that the reason they've gone for an Election Bill rather than an FTPA election is political, rather than logical. As long as Johnson used an FTPA motion he could be defeated again and again, making the point that he served -- as he does -- at the discretion of the House, and not the other way round. With a Bill, though, Johnson doesn't need Labour support, and so they are more or less obliged to support it now, but with the pretence that it is on their terms not his.

The Labour leadership has got this wrong. There is clearly no material difference between an election on 11th December and one on the 12th. In that sense, if they objected to the 12/12 they should continue to object to this 11/12 one. It's manifestly nonsense to argue that the two positions are in any way consistent.

As to the question, No Deal can't be taken off the table permanently, but it should be clear by now that it is the "default" in name only. The EU does not want No Deal. Parliament doesn't want No Deal. Even Johnson doesn't want it, really -- but it served his purposes to pretend that he did. Therefore, No Deal simply cannot happen merely by default. Unless one or other of those bodies changes their minds, or is replaced by people who *want* No Deal, then this will always be the case. The UK will either leave the EU with a Deal, be it Johnson's, May's, or some other version, or will not leave at all.

[ichkeria]

I agree Jim.
I think that No Deal has been dead for some time. It would he such a naff way to proceed, apart from anything else.
Labour has no real choice but to support having an election now. It is a bad time for them. Uniquely probably among all the other main parties with the possible exception of the Brexit Party.

[Jackdaw33]

An early election will see the demise of Soubry, Hammond, Grieve and the rest of the scabby crew. Once the Augean stables have been cleansed we may proceed in a more orderly fashion.

[Old_Geezer]

No-deal is still better than a bad deal. It's a truism.
Yet to see a good description/explanation of Boris' agreement, but it seems better than May's. But it needs to be sufficiently better. Otherwise parliament may lose nerve (as usual of late) and make a bad decision.

[Zacs-Master]

'No-deal is still better than a bad deal. It's a truism.'

Not if you voted remain, it ain't.

[Old_Geezer]

Surely there has to be a limit to the number of times parliament can ensure we ask for an extension.

[Zacs-Master]

There isn't. The fact that Brussels has agreed shows how strongly they don't want a no deal exit for Britain.

[ichkeria]

Brussels doesn’t want to be the cause of a no deal Brexit, that’s the thing.
If that nice Mr Johnson were to stop asking them they’d stop granting it.

[hereIam]

11:24 Too true dave ..

[jourdain2]

O_G So far as I can see, Boris's deal is just as bad as May's except that there is a 'get-out' clause. There is also the point that it is at the cost of a division of some sort between N. I. and the main body of the UK. This will almost inevitably lead to civil unrest i.m.o. and, given the history, lives could be lost. The EU. will have power over us (and we will have no vote, remember) for some time and could demand anything of us - and probably will. I can't support it, so I feel that I cannot vote for my Conservative candidate.