Will We Listen To 11,000 Random Internet Users?

[Spicerack]

Anyone who read or responded to spath's thread https://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/News/Question1681546-4.html
will know what this is about.
There were no 11,000 scientists, there was no scientific report, there is no Alliance of World Scientists or whatever the author claimed to represent.

[Spicerack]

[naomi24]

Someone had better tell Jim.

[woofgang]

for people like me who don't like video https://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/climate-emergency-names-1.5350570

[Spicerack]

I don't think Jim believes in it for a moment. He does, however, believe in a One World Government.
The whole thread was a metaphor for the global warming scam.
Gullible people who believe anything.
A thankfully growing number who think for themselves and see through it.
And some rather unpleasant people who use it for their own ends.

[jim360]

Oh no. My entire faith in the science of climate change has been shattered now that I saw this one video.

[Old_Geezer]

Good grief. 3½ minutes of his mocking & insults was as much as I was prepared to take. So what if it's not a new study, it's highlighting the conclusions drawn from what we already have in case some are still in denial. So what if it's written to be readable by the individual on the street and not full of scientific jargon. For conclusions that's a good thing isn't it ? 11,000 signatures, from folk knowledgeable enough to know, seems worth taking seriously enough to debate properly, at least.

[jim360]

What saddens me more is that some people seem to consider journalism the equivalent of, if not superior to, scientific research.

Somebody better tell spicerack that five minutes of one rando searching on YouTube means nothing compared to decades of thousands of scientists striving to understand the world around us. It's a nonsense, it really is, that there is any comparison. And it's a shame that some fall for that gubbins.

[naomi24]

//some people seem to consider journalism the equivalent of, if not superior to, scientific research. //

Who?

[Mozz71]

Well, Wolfgang's link details one fake name out of the 11,000, so that clearly means the other 10,999 must be fake too.

*sighs*

[spathiphyllum]

Source: rebel news - less than 2 mil subscribers.

Love islanders have more of an audience

[Togo]

11,000 "scientists" including Micky Mouse(haha) is not enough. Dangerous nonsense spouted by a mentally disturbed child and believed by the under employed gullible the World over. Ice age is coming.

Will 31,000 real scientists be enough to counter this virtue signallers con?

https://eraoflight.com/2018/01/13/over-31000-scientists-say-global-warming-is-a-hoax/

[mushroom25]

//some people seem to consider journalism the equivalent of, if not superior to, scientific research. //

it's not new though, is it?

"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge". Isaac Asimov, 1980.

[Spicerack]

// 11,000 signatures, from folk knowledgeable enough to know, seems worth taking seriously enough to debate properly, at least.//

You really did only listen to 3 minutes, lol, otherwise you wouldn't completely miss the point and come out with botox like that^.

[Old_Geezer]

When one links to a video spouting botox what does one expect ?
As I often suggest, if one has an argument to put it's better type it here than expect folk to spend their own time listening to a video link. There was no indication of any serious discussion way before I gave up on it.

[Spicerack]

Mozz71
//Well, Wolfgang's link details one fake name out of the 11,000, so that clearly means the other 10,999 must be fake too.

*sighs*//

sigh ,if you had bothered to watch the video, you would know that the authors of wolfgang's link are so biased that they starred in it. Read the letters under wolfgang's link.

[jim360]

It's not unknown for scientific studies to have typos and minor errors of one sort or another. It's a huge leap to then claim that a few such typos destroy the entire premise of the field.

Climate Science is now well over a century old, and many tens of thousands of scientists from across the world and across the generations have studied and gradually improved the field. There is nothing in this video to undermine that. If the study were proved to be a complete fraud from top to bottom it wouldn't undermine that either. I'd simply turn to any of the other hundreds and thousands of equivalent papers and studies from the last 50 years or so.

[spathiphyllum]

Anyone who thinks Greta started any kind of climate change trend is seriously uneducated on the topic.

[Mozz71]

Uh Togo, I'm no expert (understatement), but I'd suggest that you couldn't have found a less reliable source for your link if you had a lifetime to search for one.

And "Well done you" for waiting for the eleventh post before the first bit of personal abuse aimed at Greta appeared.

[jim360]

Meanwhile, it's more than a little hypocritical for Togo to cite a "31000 scientists" petition as somehow proof of anything when there is even more doubt over the veracity of the names on that list. There was no scrutiny applied to that list whatsoever. Literally none.

[Spicerack]

Spath. Anyone who believed that walruses flippy-flopped their way up an 80ft sheer cliff face oughtn't be calling anyone uneducated.