Most Embarrassing Moment Of Elections So Far.

[needawin]

BBC2 politics live today with Andrew Neil.
Most embarrassing moment in the savaging of Liz Truss.
Discussing housing, Andrew asked Liz Truss how many of the 2,500 starter homes have been built since the promise 4 years ago.
Liz Truss replied she didn't have the exact figures with her at the moment.
Andrew replies it is not a hard figure to remember. Zero!
Silence!!!

[youngmafbog]

Well here's one:
https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/nick-ferrari/labour-dawn-butler-gets-homelessness-figures-wrong/

And ther are plenty more from labour with regard to the Magic money forest.

[naomi24]

I don’t understand that. There are thousands of houses - big and small - being built.

[diddlydo]

If you regard £435K for a "starter home" as counting in the Tory total as per their promise, you have a very odd perception of society.

[youngmafbog]

It's the Bee Beee Cee Naomi.

You dont have to understand it just accept their mantra.

Didnt you know that ;-)

[THECORBYLOON]

The National Audit Office has said there have been no new starter homes built despite the Tory manifesto pledge.

theguardian.com/society/2019/nov/05/tories-broke-pledge-on-starter-homes-in-2015-manifesto-report-says

[youngmafbog]

Plenty of homes below £435k being built.

[Zacs-Master]

For those who've forgotten they're on the internet or are too stupid to use a search engine:

https://bylinetimes.com/2019/11/05/tory-starter-homes-manifesto-pledge-never-got-started-watchdog-finds/

[youngmafbog]

There seems to be some problem between 'starter' home and 'affordable' home.

[THECORBYLOON]

"Plenty of homes below £435k being built."

How many folk can afford the mortgage to pay for a house at that price?

[diddlydo]

2-bed new-build terrace in my village = £435K. Nothing cheaper on a development that was supposed to include starter homes.

[THECORBYLOON]

"The Housing and Planning Act 2016 provides the statutory framework for the delivery of starter homes. The Act defines starter homes as new homes costing up to £250,000 (£450,000 in London), to be available at a minimum 20% discount on market value to eligible first-time buyers. The legislation includes provisions to introduce a general duty on planning authorities in England to promote the supply of starter homes, and a specific duty to require a minimum number or proportion of starter homes on certain residential development sites. The starter homes legislative provisions are not yet in force."

[diddlydo]

Exactly - above not enacted by Tory Government.

[youngmafbog]

You cant just state a price and use it without context. By that I mean if houses are on average 800K in your region 435 is a low price.

In Nottingham for instance (just looked it up) they are from 140K.

Personally I dont think the Government should be funding private housing.

[diddlydo]

For young people living in my village who have been brought up here and are working locally and want to stay. it's pointless telling them how cheap houses are in Nottingham.

[naomi24]

//For those who've forgotten they're on the internet or are too stupid to use a search engine://

https://www.zoopla.co.uk/new-homes/developers/branch/site-sales-ilford-works-ilford-106412/

https://www.zoopla.co.uk/new-homes/property/derbyshire/

[naomi24]

diddlydo, that applies to many areas - mine included. I imagine some young people born in London would like to live in Chelsea - but they can't.

[Old_Geezer]

Government should be funding council housing. But they know they'd be giving them away for a knock down price in order to gain votes later anyway; so maybe they've decided to just say they'll go directly to building private housing. Must save on the paperwork.

[diddlydo]

Naomi - that first link is for shared ownership (a whole different ballgame) and the second is in Derbyshire. What's the use of those to young people living near Oxford?

[naomi24]

diddlydo, people have to live where they can afford to live. That's never changed.

[jourdain2]

Just across the road from us is a brownfield site. Used to house sheds and barns for a farm, so it got planning permission quite easily for 8 houses (4 x 3-bed detached and 2 pairs of small semis - definitely starter homes).The guide price will be c £180K - £200Kfor the small ones). The land has now been on sale for over a year and there are no offers from developers - it's too big for throwing up a couple of houses quickly and cheaply and not big enough for more serious investment. The farmer is now clearing the site to make it more attractive (which is noisy and messy!).

Even so, I can't see it selling as it is. Our 3-bed semi is way bigger than the ones they plan - and cost £130K in 2015. We got it cheaply, and one just sold for £168K, so £180/200K for a smaller one is far too much.

There is also the small problem of 2 buses per week and no other public transport, plus no village shop any more. Only amenities are the Church, the pub (good one), the Community centre and a very reasonable infants/junior school. (Results are sound, not brilliant.)
Oh, and no immediately available jobs so 2 cars are necessary for a family to function.

No surprise that housing targets are not being met is there?