Maureen Lipman In The Daily Mail

[Deskdiary]

Quite an impassioned piece.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7782737/MAUREEN-LIPMAN-blasts-Jeremy-Corbyn-damning-verdict-makes-plea-decent-people.html

Some on this site will decry it simply because, as they oh so wittily say, it's from the Daily Wail, but it's not a Daily Mail opinion piece, it is an impassioned plea from a prominent, and generally very will liked, Jew.

I genuinely find it head-scratchingly astonishing the amount of support Corbyn has - it is no secret he has courted evil terrorist anti-Jew organisations, it is no secret he has courted the IRA, it is no secret he is an intellectual minnow, it is no secret he is simply a 70s throwback Marxist agitator, it is no secret that he is economically stupid, and it is no secret he is a liar (granted all politicians are liars - so I shouldn't hold this against him).

And yet he has been elevated to the status of a demi-god.

I can only assume his supporters do not possess the ability to comprehend the disastrous consequences of their vote if, and the very thought makes my blood run cold, Corbyn and Labour were to win.

I'm no fan of Johnson, but surely he is by far the much lesser evil of the two, isn't he?

[10ClarionSt]

All of this publicity against Corbyn is meant to deflect the flak from the racist who may become our PM. The man who turns to frivolity when faced with serious questions. The man who is a proven liar. All of you blue rinse Tories in the Con Club of AB, don't want to acknowledge that. The King is in the altogether!

[wiltsman]

I think everyone who buys a copy of the Daily Wail should also buy a copy of the i paper to put things in perpective. It reports fairly across the spectrum of all the parties, not favouring any one in particular. In today's edition there are columns by Boris Johnson. Jeremy Corbyn, Nicola Sturgeon. Jonathan Bartley and Adam Price.

When picking up my paper this morning, I must admit I did smile at the Daily Star's front page, showing Boris and Jeremy in clown outfits, with the headline, 'Clowning Street'!

[10ClarionSt]

I have done those thing too, Andy, with USDAW and TGWU. Working practices have changed very much for CWU members over the years, but there always issues for working people. Many working people do lots of things for the Labour Party and are it's backbone. I'm baffled by your comment that Labour is no longer the party of them. I think they very much are. And I am still in contact with various people in those unions, BTW.

[andy-hughes]

10ClarionSt - // I have done those thing too, Andy, with USDAW and TGWU. //

So we have more in common that you imagined - the difference being that you made a tall assumption about me which I have been delighted to demolish for you, and I have not done the same about you, because it's wrong to judge someone you don't know well enough.

I believe the Labour Party is a caricature of what it should be - its manifesto promises are as barmy as they are undeliverable, and Jeremy Corbyn remains what he has always been - a backbench agitator promoted seriously above his abilities.

People may vote for them out of a misplaced sense of loyalty - that is the choice of a free democracy, but I, working man supporter as a clearly am, could no more vote for this incarnation than I could give everyone a £10 minimum wage and a four-day week to earn it in.

Hint - I am not promising those lies, Mr Corbyn is.

[10ClarionSt]

I did not make an asuumption about you, Andy. I asked you relevant questions, which you kindly answered.
However, you come accross as a really arrogant person who revels in trying to embarrass people. I'm glad I didn't have the "benefit" of your self-congratulatory representation and modesty.

[ToraToraTora]

10cs listen to AH and other past Labour voters, huge swathes of them across the country are seeing Labour for what they have become. Riddled with modern day Nazis and dreamers who practice the politics of nastiness and envy. Even past socialist style Labour administrations of the 60s and 70s would be embarrassed by this lot. Bumbling useless governments like Callaghan's at least had some respectability, they did their best, wrong, but they thought it was right. You claim to be Labour, if you really are you would not recognise the current "Labour" party as such.

[naomi24]

diddly, still no answer to my question. Why is that?

Clarion, like many others I used to vote Labour ... until I opened my eyes and learnt the error of my ways. They're no good to anyone - and certainly not to the so-called 'working man'. Silly expression really. I know few who don't work for a living.

[andy-hughes]

10ClarionSt - // I did not make an asuumption about you, Andy. I asked you relevant questions, which you kindly answered. //

I think that you did, and it shows.

// However, you come accross as a really arrogant person who revels in trying to embarrass people. I'm glad I didn't have the "benefit" of your self-congratulatory representation and modesty. //

If you were embarrassed, it's because you assumed I know nothing about the Labour Party, and you were royally caught out.

I couldn't care less what you think of me - your shallow assumptions continue to have no effect whatsoever.

[Peter Pedant]

// Would it matter if she said it elsewhere, diddly?//

yeah havent we had this before? - the context in which you say something affects its meaning - oh yeah the blessed golliwog thread.

and that of course is why people go ( used to go ) to speakers corner as your words would have greater effect than if you repeated them in the jarn.

and why you do dont dee blark arcent theeng in Brixton

so I think we have an answer 'yes' to that one as yesterday

[Peter Pedant]

er sozza Breextarn

[naomi24]

//the context in which you say something affects its meaning//

Keep up, PP - or take a breath before jumping in. Context isn't the issue.

[Ken4155]

Naomi @ 08;17; "Ken, why condescending?" You say that the reason people vote for Labour is because they suffer from 'dear old dad' syndrome and that they "retain images from years ago of downtrodden workers......................." You don't credit them with the intelligence or will to realise times have changed and to make up their own minds on who to vote. Yet, whenever it has been suggested that many Brexiteers didn't truly know why they had voted leave - or exactly what to expect - you (and others on here) come over all indignant. Does the same 'dear old dad' syndrome not apply to other parties? Excuse the delay in my reply, work got in the way. No, i'm not one of the downtrodden:-))

[Ken4155]

AndyHughes @ 11;21; "..............thousands of Labour supporters like yourself.............." Andy, i am not a 'supporter' of any party. My colours are not nailed to any of their masts. Each time an election comes around, i weigh up each party's pros and cons and make a decision on where to put the old 'X'. And i tell no-one where that 'X' was put:-)

[naomi24]

Ken, I said that of “dyed in the wool” Labour voters - and I think it’s true. Their politics become a part of them. I didn’t say they’re not intelligent, simply that they cling to an image of a past that no longer exists - and actually they’re voting for an image of a party that no longer exists. As an example Mikey, the most enthusiastic Labour supporter ever to grace these pages, was one such. Not an unintelligent man by any means but regardless of Labour’s intentions he would never have veered from that dedicated course. He would have voted for a donkey if it was wearing a red rosette - as would a few of our current members. If what I’ve said sounds harsh, so be it because that, in my experience, is exactly as it is. I’m an ex-Labour voter who thought similarly - the Conservatives are for the rich and Labour for the workers - but then Tony Blair (who I voted for) happened by and taught me just how wrong I’d been. I waved goodbye and never looked back.

[andy-hughes]

Ken4155 - // AndyHughes @ 11;21; "..............thousands of Labour supporters like yourself.............." Andy, i am not a 'supporter' of any party. My colours are not nailed to any of their masts. Each time an election comes around, i weigh up each party's pros and cons and make a decision on where to put the old 'X'. And i tell no-one where that 'X' was put:-) //

I stand corrected, with apologies.

[andy-hughes]

Ken - // Naomi @ 08;17; "Ken, why condescending?" You say that the reason people vote for Labour is because they suffer from 'dear old dad' syndrome and that they "retain images from years ago of downtrodden workers......................." You don't credit them with the intelligence or will to realise times have changed and to make up their own minds on who to vote. Yet, whenever it has been suggested that many Brexiteers didn't truly know why they had voted leave - or exactly what to expect - you (and others on here) come over all indignant. //

I believe you are not comparing like with like here.

Political affiliation can change as circumstances, leaders, and policies change, although I believe that 'dyed in the wool' voters of both sides certainly exist, and will be voting from that position as i write.

The Referendum however is completely different.

It was a one-off question with a 'Yes / No' answer.

The notion that Leave voters 'didn't know what they were voting for ...' is as patronising as it is insulting, as it is wrong.

I believe the vast majority understood the question and voted accordingly.

To insult someone by inferring that they are too stupid to understand a question as simple as the one the Referendum offered is pompous arrogance - the sort offered by Jo Swinson who is proud to stand on a policy of denying the will of the people before it has been enacted.

[Ken4155]

Must admit, Naomi, i voted twice for Blair:-(
AndyH; apology accepted. You are not the first - and i dare say you won't be the last - to make that mistake. Probably because i have a tendency to sound off about one or two prominent Tory personnel, folk think i must be a red:-// When in fact, i'm Claret and Blue, Through and Through.

[sevenOP]

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