Wrong Brexit Deal ?

[Gromit]

May’s Brexit Deal was designed to appeal to Remainers in her own party, to get it passed. As such it was a watered down Brexit and universally disliked by virtually everyone.

Johnson attempted the same tightrope act. Made lots of concessions to soft Brexiteers in the Tory party, and again it was rejected. If anything, it was worse than the May deal.

Now Boris has the voting power to pass the Johnson Brexit Deal by the new Parliament, I wonder if the Deal is still a dud.

Should we get Brexit right, rather than just getting it done?

[emmie]

let us see what they can do in the next 6 weeks.
I think that we will see Mrs May's deal much in evidence however. I hope that isn't the case of course.

[douglas9401]

I'm going to have to digest the insanity of yesterday before I can begin to deal with the even more calamitous stuff to come.

[emmie]

be positive Douglas, lol

[Old_Geezer]

It's still less than ideal. It is, however, possibly the best one can get from an intransigent EU after all the dissent and antics of a portion of the public and a majority of our past undemocratic MPs. As such it's either Johnson's agreement or Farage's no-deal. That is unless the massive vote of support for a Brexit/leave government causes the EU to rethink the mess they've engineered.

So in a nutshell one has to go for as right as you can achieve rather than chase fantasies of perfection forevermore, getting nowhere.

[cassa333]

To be fare he has a bigger mandate to go back to the EU and say we have the numbers to just leave. What you gonna do about it?

[ToraToraTora]

yes, I am concerned about the MayBo deal, I hope that now Boris has the numbers he can improve on this deal.

[ToraToraTora]

cassa, yes, bang on.

[New Judge]

//I'm going to have to digest the insanity of yesterday...//

What insanity would that be then, douglas? The country was presented with a clear choice - (1) a Conservative government which, whilst not ideal, promised to get the biggest single issue that has dominated politics for the last three years finally put to bed (although the sheets may not have been tucked in too well)and kept the country's economy reasonably stable or (2) a government which was unable to do anything at all or (worst of all) (3) one which would be led by a leader and a party which would have all but destroyed the UK economy for decades making Brexit seems a walk in the park. The insanity would have been the country choosing the latter.

There can be no accusations of a dirty campaign or of misleading the electorate. The choices were clear. The Conservatives promised to get Brexit done and stabilise the economy; the LDs promised to cancel Brexit unilaterally and stuff 17.4m people who voted to leave; the Labour Party promised to spend money we don't have, borrow money to make up the shortfall (bankrupting the country in the process) and wasn't to clear what it would do about Brexit.

There was no insanity in the country's decision and the electorate should be applauded for acting in the country's interest. If you believe there is more "calamitous stuff yet to come" I shudder to think how you would have viewed a Labour victory.

[youngmafbog]

Sour grapes going well Douglas?

Gromit, BoJo's deal is far from ideal. But, I am willing to go that route as a concession to remainers (not that they would have reciprocated) and move the Country forward.

[teacake44]

A labour leader? who thought that offering free internet would clinch an election win. :0) That's insanity douglas. :0)

[ichkeria]

The “Johnson Brexit Deal” isn’t really a “deal” at all.
Passing the Bill will take the UK out of the EU legally, but it doesn’t define our relationship with the EU in future. All it does - all any so-called deal can do, is fudge the Ireland issue. Meanwhile Scotland and N Ireland have voted very definitely against Brexit again and the UK is more divided than ever.
So Johnson will have to adopt a creative and imaginative and indeed moderate approach to the real Brexit business, which only starts now.
At least now he can cast off the loony Brexit Mark Francois Rees-Mogg wing of his party should he choose to. Because presumably “one-nation” Toryism as Johnson understands it is not what many suspect: ie the “one nation” being just England.

[Old_Geezer]

It was the EU that insisted the exit discussions and the future trade discussions were spilt, and refused to discuss the latter until Brexit was agreed. Boris' agreement can be the deal that takes us out. The rest is all subsequent negotiations with the EU, as we also need to negotiate with every other country across the globe.