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And We’Re Off To A Flying Start
Day one and remainer MPs are already moaning about not being able to extend the agreement past Dec 2020.
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They have a year to pull their fingers out. We know what we want, they know what they want. Just get on and bloody well do it.
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They have a year to pull their fingers out. We know what we want, they know what they want. Just get on and bloody well do it.
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//And presumably the unilateral alteration of the withdrawal agreement by our parliament isn’t an issue for the EU//
The EU:UK withdrawal agreement is not being unilaterally changed. All that is happening is that the clause that says that the transition period may be lengthened by mutual consent is simply being castrated. Our consent to its extension will not be forthcoming but the clause can remain in the agreement.
The EU:UK withdrawal agreement is not being unilaterally changed. All that is happening is that the clause that says that the transition period may be lengthened by mutual consent is simply being castrated. Our consent to its extension will not be forthcoming but the clause can remain in the agreement.
ich: "Tora the thing is that we don’t really want to finish up in December 2020 with no trade deal.
No one wants that. " - gawd help us, that's the *&^%ing point the enemy have to believe you'll do it if necessary. From day 1 the VBQC have been hand wringing about the EUSSR! PMSL don't ever play poker!
No one wants that. " - gawd help us, that's the *&^%ing point the enemy have to believe you'll do it if necessary. From day 1 the VBQC have been hand wringing about the EUSSR! PMSL don't ever play poker!
Khando's method, How to get it completed in less than 11 months.
1. Choose a c-r* p venue, I suggest Calais.
2. Put all the negotiators up in adequate, but not luxurious accommodations, with simple, but adequate restaurants.
3. Turn the central heating down a few notches in the winter & seal the windows in the summer.
4. Ban all female company, particularly mistresses.
In fact, it might be all sorted by Midsummer!
1. Choose a c-r* p venue, I suggest Calais.
2. Put all the negotiators up in adequate, but not luxurious accommodations, with simple, but adequate restaurants.
3. Turn the central heating down a few notches in the winter & seal the windows in the summer.
4. Ban all female company, particularly mistresses.
In fact, it might be all sorted by Midsummer!
//“Expunged” is the word I believe was used NJ
at the link: ie “removed”
That’s a change to to agreement. But presumably one we can make.//
It is not the (EU:UK) Withdrawal Agreement that is being changed, Ikky. It is the UK's own Withdrawal Bill )which has to be passed by Parliament) which is being amended. As I said earlier, the EU:UK agreement includes the facility to extend the transition period by up to two years. Our amended Withdrawal Bill - if approved - will mean our consent to that extension cannot be given.
at the link: ie “removed”
That’s a change to to agreement. But presumably one we can make.//
It is not the (EU:UK) Withdrawal Agreement that is being changed, Ikky. It is the UK's own Withdrawal Bill )which has to be passed by Parliament) which is being amended. As I said earlier, the EU:UK agreement includes the facility to extend the transition period by up to two years. Our amended Withdrawal Bill - if approved - will mean our consent to that extension cannot be given.
//I have long felt that it tells us something that by people in the UK the EU is being described and seen as "the enemy".//
You don't have to be on a war footing to see an opponent as the enemy. M. Barnier has not been coy when making it known that he sees his job to box the UK into a corner so that the only deal on offer is one which is totally acceptable to the EU and totally unacceptable to the UK. He believed that acceptance of such a deal or to remain in the EU would see his task successfully completed and he very nearly got his way. That is no way to approach what should be a mutually beneficial arrangement. But there never was any mutuality in those talks. The EU refused (and still refuses) to accept that the UK will become an external trading partner but also a competitor in many fields. It sees its task as protecting its Single Market at all costs and that approach may very well see those costs visited both on the EU27 and the UK. There is considerable enmity in this approach. The EU has never had to deal with an errant, departing member before - let alone one so important to its functioning as the UK. And it cannot hack it.
You don't have to be on a war footing to see an opponent as the enemy. M. Barnier has not been coy when making it known that he sees his job to box the UK into a corner so that the only deal on offer is one which is totally acceptable to the EU and totally unacceptable to the UK. He believed that acceptance of such a deal or to remain in the EU would see his task successfully completed and he very nearly got his way. That is no way to approach what should be a mutually beneficial arrangement. But there never was any mutuality in those talks. The EU refused (and still refuses) to accept that the UK will become an external trading partner but also a competitor in many fields. It sees its task as protecting its Single Market at all costs and that approach may very well see those costs visited both on the EU27 and the UK. There is considerable enmity in this approach. The EU has never had to deal with an errant, departing member before - let alone one so important to its functioning as the UK. And it cannot hack it.
Well that explains what is plainly the case, NJ,that the EU are not bothered. The government could, if it wanted, pass another law to reverse its previous one, which is why these things feel odd: there’s another Bill on the way to make it illegal not to find the NHS, or something along those lines: like an insurance policy against future wavering by itself. Like hiding the gin bottle :-)
Both that and the withdrawal bill amendment feel like gesture politics.
Both that and the withdrawal bill amendment feel like gesture politics.
