No Diff-Dep-Ref2 ...........

[ToraToraTora]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-51106796
Better call Mel Gibson!

[THECORBYLOON]

From KHANDRO's source, "The legitimacy of a second referendum was originally supported by David Mundell while Secretary of State for Scotland in the Cameron Cabinet. On June 26 2016, he said: "If the people of Scotland ultimately determine that they want to have another [independence] referendum there will be one.”

[Old_Geezer]

Fair enough. Thirty years time ok ?

[New Judge]

//…but you don't want them to be allowed another referendum.//

Personally I don’t really care one way or another but I think the case against a second referendum is strong. I think the result would be the same as in 2014 anyway. But I understand the PM’s decision to refuse to allow one. The country has been through almost four years of turmoil and it needs a period of consolidation before any more constitutional matters are considered. I was vehemently opposed to a second EU referendum. Not because I thought the result would be any different but because you should not keep asking the same question because you don’t like the answer you get. Although the result of the Scottish referendum disappointed me, my feelings are much the same with this.

//NJ, it's a claim based on nothing then?//

It wasn’t so much a claim, Corby, more an expression of opinion. Major changes usually end up costing the taxpayer dearly and I doubt Scottish independence would be any different.

[Apc2604]

As per earlier in this thread would it not be possible to organise a huge market survey - a mock referendum! ;o)

[THECORBYLOON]

NJ, it was more than an opinion since it is your justification for the English having an interest in whether Scotland should be independent or no.

[Quizmonster]

Khandro, I have never disputed the fact that Alex Salmond used the phrase, "once in a generation opportunity", in 2014. Indeed, I actually said so in my first contribution to this thread at 16.47 on Tuesday! Perhaps you overlooked it.
What I am still waiting for is you...or anyone else...to provide any shred of evidence whatsoever that the statement in any way constitutes a "promise".
Promises, in general, are preceded by the word, 'promise' or 'pledge' or ‘warrant’ or any similar word which a thesaurus might provide. No such word is present in association with the statement we are discussing here.
In any case, no party leader has a right to guarantee a future leader will feel bound to carry out his/her promises once he/she has left that position. Would you like Boris Johnson now to be compelled to carry out Theresa May’s wishes? And, if not, why should the SNP now willingly dismiss their very reason for existence…Scottish Independence…because they had one opportunity - six years ago - to put the question to the Scottish electorate?

[ToraToraTora]

QM: These sorts of referenda happen once a generation, you've been thrashing about but Salmond and others have merely stated their opinion. It's a generally accepted maxim that having a referendum on the same subject over and over until you get the "correct" answer is a flawed approach. Favoured mainly by the EUSSR. Anyway you should stop calling it "independence" you just want to split from hated England and try and get the EUSSR to fund your operation, be honest, the last thing you want is actual independence.

[ToraToraTora]

oh and for what it's worth I am in favour of another vote on different dependence, where I believe the same answer as last time will be given.

[THECORBYLOON]

"The country has been through almost four years of turmoil and it needs a period of consolidation before any more constitutional matters are considered."

There was no talk of the UK leaving the EU when the first referendum took place. The UK as a whole voted to leave the EU but Scotland did not.

Why is that not reason enough to allow a second vote? Do you not think Scotland being forced out the EU will not add to the turmoil?

[THECORBYLOON]

TTT, as the circumstances have changed greatly since the last Scots referendum, it is not a case of repeating the vote to get the desired result.

[ToraToraTora]

the referendum was UK wide, picking out areas that differed is only of statistical value.

[douglas9401]

It's not a promise, pledge, guarantee, fact or truth until it's plastered on the side of a bus then disowned by one of the chief campaign leaders and lied about by supporters.

Going forward.

[ToraToraTora]

TCL 10:15 leaving aside wee jimmy and the hate the English brigade, I believe that a majority of Scots can see the folly of leaving the UK and being in Limbo for an unspecified period where the EUSSR deign to consider their application and in doing so impose on them a huge straight jacket of measures. They'll have to join the Euro and build a border for a start and that's just the tip of the iceberg. The Blue faced ones may hate the English but they'll crave rejoining the UK when they see the servitude the EUSSR has planned for them. So give them another referendum and let the sensible Scots decide and as above I think they'll vote for subsidy in the bosom of the UK over servitude to the unelected Eurocrats.

[anneasquith]

Who or what is ‘ hate the English brigade ‘ ttt. .?

[douglas9401]

I think they're more accurately named 'the rest of the world', anne. :-P

[anneasquith]

Ohhhhhhh !!!!!

[ToraToraTora]

anne: "Who or what is ‘ hate the English brigade ‘ ttt. .? " - look above, you and doug for a start.

[ToraToraTora]

so anne/doug,
1) do you want to leave the UK?
2) if so Why?
3) how do you answer the points made by me at 10:25?

[douglas9401]

Look ma, a humourless whingeing pom. :-)

[anneasquith]

Ttt. You are telling ME, I hate the English ?