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Labour Civil War Over Trans Rights
labour are making themselves so unelectable, reading the article im like really, is she serious
labour are digging ever deeper into oblivion, its like chaos poltics, rights this rights that, and the dont deport the criminals back to jamaica, just who's side are they on, not the general public.
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labour are digging ever deeper into oblivion, its like chaos poltics, rights this rights that, and the dont deport the criminals back to jamaica, just who's side are they on, not the general public.
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Look at all polls of the membership. And most
new members are apparently backing KS.
As I previously explained.
Even Corbyn’s constituency narrowly came out for Starmer.
One reason KS is doing well is because he’s kept more left wingers onside by being careful not to trash Corbyn.
And in fairness to any leadership candidate, the message “we’re all going to hell in a handcart” wouldn’t go down well. That’s the problem when you let the members decide who leads the party. But the members at large are not the same as Momentum which is 10% of the total. And not the same as the people who run important bits of the party at the moment.
No one knows what Starmer will do once he gets in, if he does, about that.
But RLB is hopeless and most Labour members are not that daft that they cannot see it.
new members are apparently backing KS.
As I previously explained.
Even Corbyn’s constituency narrowly came out for Starmer.
One reason KS is doing well is because he’s kept more left wingers onside by being careful not to trash Corbyn.
And in fairness to any leadership candidate, the message “we’re all going to hell in a handcart” wouldn’t go down well. That’s the problem when you let the members decide who leads the party. But the members at large are not the same as Momentum which is 10% of the total. And not the same as the people who run important bits of the party at the moment.
No one knows what Starmer will do once he gets in, if he does, about that.
But RLB is hopeless and most Labour members are not that daft that they cannot see it.
Genes and gender may share similar roots, but are utterly unrelated. Gender is about how you see yourself, and about how society sees you. Since, usually, society doesn't make a point of testing your chromosomes, then why should the two be so linked?
It's fairly obvious that the LGB Alliance is so-called as to explicitly exclude the "T", so in that sense there's a point, but I'm not convinced that Labour can afford to cling to ideological purity so tightly. Better to say that "these are our political positions and if you don't like them we'll do our best to persuade you otherwise", rather than "If you don't 100% agree with everything we say then get ***".
It's fairly obvious that the LGB Alliance is so-called as to explicitly exclude the "T", so in that sense there's a point, but I'm not convinced that Labour can afford to cling to ideological purity so tightly. Better to say that "these are our political positions and if you don't like them we'll do our best to persuade you otherwise", rather than "If you don't 100% agree with everything we say then get ***".
jim: "Genes and gender may share similar roots, but are utterly unrelated. Gender is about how you see yourself, and about how society sees you. Since, usually, society doesn't make a point of testing your chromosomes, then why should the two be so linked? " - from a normally intelligent person, I find that statement remarkable, surgery, hormones and dressing up cannot change gender. The TG brigade seem to have invented for themselves a biological verification that does exist. A man deciding that he's a woman is no less ridiculous that me deciding I'm a Rhino.
Jim //Gender is about how you see yourself, and about how society sees you//
Not so, gender is the distinction between male and female:-
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Not so, gender is the distinction between male and female:-
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// what does trans phobic mean anyway? //
Depends on whom you ask. For myself I'd rather apply a softer definition than many, ie transphobia is an active distrust and/or denial of rights to transgender, rather than merely arguing over the definition, extent and existence of it. On the general assumption that you don't particularly care what someone does, looks like, dresses, has surgery on or whatever, then I'd rather try and persuade, instead of exclude from a debate.
Depends on whom you ask. For myself I'd rather apply a softer definition than many, ie transphobia is an active distrust and/or denial of rights to transgender, rather than merely arguing over the definition, extent and existence of it. On the general assumption that you don't particularly care what someone does, looks like, dresses, has surgery on or whatever, then I'd rather try and persuade, instead of exclude from a debate.
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