Why Are The E U S S R So Desperate To Keep Their Tentacles In The Uk?

[ToraToraTora]

https://news.sky.com/story/eu-trade-negotiations-no-deal-is-back-on-the-agenda-as-the-uk-sets-out-its-red-lines-11944418
looks like no deal is a real possibility.

[jim360]

We aren't Canada.

But, agreed, the EU will have to back down on some of its demands. The cynic in me suggests that they put some of the more extreme negotiating positions in, eg return of Elgin Marbles, specifically for the purpose of giving ground there. The question is what the UK is prepared to give up in kind. It remains true that "No Deal" is the worst of all possible outcomes, so the fact that the UK is prepared to walk away into that outcome is surely a posture rather than a serious proposal.

[ToraToraTora]

May's "deal" was the BRINO deal of a remainer, no way we could accept that, I said on many occasions that remain was better, perhaps that was the idea.

[jim360]

It wasn't a Remainers' Deal; it was a messy compromise that satisfied nobody.

All I can add is that I wish Remainers had been better at organising the conspiracy everybody here obviously believes they were engaging in.

[New Judge]

//It's easy to understand why Remainers weren't impressed by the Withdrawal Agreement: it comes with all of the vices of EU membership and none of the virtues.//

What "virtues" did it fail to encompass then, Jim. It's all a long time ago now but as far as I can recall it simply involved crossing our name off the list of members and removing our right to invoke A50 again without the EU's permission.

[Old_Geezer]

If you "give ground" on extreme proposals than you and everyone else knew was a non-starter and there simply as a ploy, I'd doubt the other side of the negotiating table would consider or treat it as any ground given at all. This especially so when the proposal had blessed all to do with what was supposed to be being negotiated. No one should start the game of hanging unrelated suggestions onto the shirt tails of any agreement or bill; that's a daft route to start down. You can end up with failure to agree due to something totally unrelated.

[Old_Geezer]

BRINO was always a remainer deal. It was the only compromise from staying in completely that a remoaner MP might just accept. But in the end they blew it; thank Gawd.