Death Of Three Young Ladies Backpacking...
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Is It Time To Clamp Down On Online Betting
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This poor lady obviously couldnt cope with her addiction and took the ultimate way out.
She is not alone, this scourge of society needs dealing with. Continual adverts on tv and radio, free money to get you in and hooked. This is not bingo, there is no social aspect however much the misleading adverts portray it.
I say time to ban it or at very least strictly regulate it with draconian restrictions.
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She is not alone, this scourge of society needs dealing with. Continual adverts on tv and radio, free money to get you in and hooked. This is not bingo, there is no social aspect however much the misleading adverts portray it.
I say time to ban it or at very least strictly regulate it with draconian restrictions.
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"If we ban legal online betting, then people will be driven into the arms of illegal bookmakers - with no regulation at all".
I just don't buy that - remove all the TV promotions and other mainstream adverts and the market will contract significantly - in particular the influx of 'new punters' will drop through the floor.
This has to be a good thing ... but won't happen because vested interests have the ear of policy makers (just look at the enormous struggle it took to regulate the vile predatory scourge of FOBTs).
"If we ban legal online betting, then people will be driven into the arms of illegal bookmakers - with no regulation at all".
I just don't buy that - remove all the TV promotions and other mainstream adverts and the market will contract significantly - in particular the influx of 'new punters' will drop through the floor.
This has to be a good thing ... but won't happen because vested interests have the ear of policy makers (just look at the enormous struggle it took to regulate the vile predatory scourge of FOBTs).
If the bank started saying where and how I could spend my money that's when i'd find a new bank. To blame anyone but the woman herself is unfair. We all have money and we can all make choices. Some gamble and others don't. Some gamble and gamble responsible, and some don't. No ones fault but her own no mater how much emotion you put into it. She should have gotten help.
TheDevil - // To blame anyone but the woman herself is unfair. We all have money and we can all make choices. Some gamble and others don't. Some gamble and gamble responsible, and some don't. No ones fault but her own no mater how much emotion you put into it. She should have gotten help. //
I believe that we, who are able to make informed decisions and therefore avoid such situations, should offer sympathy and support to those who are not able to do so.
To simply say "I can avoid this, so you should be able to as well ..." lacks empathy for other people who are not as mentally strong, and who are prey to the insidious organisations who run betting companies.
I think we should as a society, protect people from the worst excesses that they may be unable to avoid, because that is the way a civilized society behaves - it protects those who need protection.
I believe that we, who are able to make informed decisions and therefore avoid such situations, should offer sympathy and support to those who are not able to do so.
To simply say "I can avoid this, so you should be able to as well ..." lacks empathy for other people who are not as mentally strong, and who are prey to the insidious organisations who run betting companies.
I think we should as a society, protect people from the worst excesses that they may be unable to avoid, because that is the way a civilized society behaves - it protects those who need protection.
Andy, we're all individuals on this planet and it's not my responsibility to stop some 34 year old women spending all her wages on online bets.
I have my life, she has hers, and how she lives it is at her discretion. It';s not my fault, society's fault or the banks fault that she killed herself or that she spent all her money.
The average person doesn't blow all their money on gambling at 34 then kill themselves. If they did then maybe society would be to blame. However, it's not. The average person doesn't suffer from this kind of addiction or illness.
I have my life, she has hers, and how she lives it is at her discretion. It';s not my fault, society's fault or the banks fault that she killed herself or that she spent all her money.
The average person doesn't blow all their money on gambling at 34 then kill themselves. If they did then maybe society would be to blame. However, it's not. The average person doesn't suffer from this kind of addiction or illness.
TheDevil - I take your point that we are all individuals, but we do not exist in isolation.
We live as part of a society, and as such, we have responsibilities to members of that society, as it has responsibilities to us as individuals.
To simply dismiss someone's situation by saying, effectively, it doesn't affect me directly, so it's not my problem, is not an attitude that will enable any civilized society to exist and to move forward.
We have to understand that not everyone is able to live their lives free from issues which are of their own making, but that in itself is not justification for simply abandoning them to their fate.
In this instance, the proliferation of gambling is having an increasingly negative effect on our society as a whole, and we are all indirectly affected by it, and as such, it is our responsibility to address the issues that proliferation raises, and work out if it needs to be curtailed for the good of society as a whole.
We live as part of a society, and as such, we have responsibilities to members of that society, as it has responsibilities to us as individuals.
To simply dismiss someone's situation by saying, effectively, it doesn't affect me directly, so it's not my problem, is not an attitude that will enable any civilized society to exist and to move forward.
We have to understand that not everyone is able to live their lives free from issues which are of their own making, but that in itself is not justification for simply abandoning them to their fate.
In this instance, the proliferation of gambling is having an increasingly negative effect on our society as a whole, and we are all indirectly affected by it, and as such, it is our responsibility to address the issues that proliferation raises, and work out if it needs to be curtailed for the good of society as a whole.
Perhaps I'm an old stick-in-the-mud but I thought it was a bad move years ago when fruit machines started to accept ten pound notes. Prior to that I would watch people cash a tenner at the bar, stick it all in the fruit machine, win nothing, shrug their shoulders and wander off. As soon as they accepted tenners they would stick one in, lose it all and then stick in another.
Another observation is the chatter around my workplace, normally on a Monday morning, from the younger guys in the office around A) Fantasy Football followed very quickly by B) their gambling apps. How much they had won, never much, but more frequently how much they had NEARLY won...
Another observation is the chatter around my workplace, normally on a Monday morning, from the younger guys in the office around A) Fantasy Football followed very quickly by B) their gambling apps. How much they had won, never much, but more frequently how much they had NEARLY won...
Andy free choice is what makes life worth living. To take that away may have resulted in the same way.
For all we know the lady wanted to kill herself but first thought well... I might as well try to turn what money I do have into as much as it could be. If she won on her salary she may have not killed herself. She may have decided to kill herself before she blew it all but did anyway just to see if she'd win. Who could possible know?
We don't know.
But, gambling doesn't kill..
If you have suicidal tendencies maybe try to get professional help.
For all we know the lady wanted to kill herself but first thought well... I might as well try to turn what money I do have into as much as it could be. If she won on her salary she may have not killed herself. She may have decided to kill herself before she blew it all but did anyway just to see if she'd win. Who could possible know?
We don't know.
But, gambling doesn't kill..
If you have suicidal tendencies maybe try to get professional help.
TheDevil - // If you have suicidal tendencies maybe try to get professional help. //
The simplicity of your solution is matched only by the simplicity of the way you dismiss the tragic death of a stranger.
Your clearly appear to have no grasp of the complexities of mental health issues, and you do not seem willing to accept that living in a society comes with individual responsibilities, not simply shrugging off something that doesn't impact on you directly.
The simplicity of your solution is matched only by the simplicity of the way you dismiss the tragic death of a stranger.
Your clearly appear to have no grasp of the complexities of mental health issues, and you do not seem willing to accept that living in a society comes with individual responsibilities, not simply shrugging off something that doesn't impact on you directly.
TheDevil - // "The simplicity of your solution is matched only by the simplicity of the way you dismiss the tragic death of a stranger.
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It is that simple though. She killed herself because she was suicidal. Not everyone has what it takes to end their own life. //
Once again you underline your apparent absence of understanding of severe mental health issues.
Everyone has 'what it takes' to take their own life - absolutely everyone.
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It is that simple though. She killed herself because she was suicidal. Not everyone has what it takes to end their own life. //
Once again you underline your apparent absence of understanding of severe mental health issues.
Everyone has 'what it takes' to take their own life - absolutely everyone.
if you get hit by a car, plane, bus or train you might die. If you take drugs or alcohol you might die.
If you gamble, the only thing that could kill you is yourself and poor mental health.
It may sound harsh, but so? It is that simple and it is true.
The article is implying the responsibility for this woman's life lays with her bank and the online betting firm.
Do you think this is the case?
I don't, for the reason's that i've outlined.
If you gamble, the only thing that could kill you is yourself and poor mental health.
It may sound harsh, but so? It is that simple and it is true.
The article is implying the responsibility for this woman's life lays with her bank and the online betting firm.
Do you think this is the case?
I don't, for the reason's that i've outlined.
Andy saying that I have a poor understanding of mental health doesn't make my answers false in any way and it doesn't make your answers right.
Who cares if my understanding may not be what it could? What i've said is as it is, regardless of how much emotional availability I have for gamblers who kill themselves.
A bank and a online betting firm can not be responsible for someones mental health. The lady should have got help.
Who cares if my understanding may not be what it could? What i've said is as it is, regardless of how much emotional availability I have for gamblers who kill themselves.
A bank and a online betting firm can not be responsible for someones mental health. The lady should have got help.
TheDevil - // if you get hit by a car, plane, bus or train you might die. If you take drugs or alcohol you might die.
If you gamble, the only thing that could kill you is yourself and poor mental health.
It may sound harsh, but so? It is that simple and it is true. //
I think we are simply going to have to agree to differ on this, because my attempts to explain that what you appear to see as very simple situations with very simple solutions are in fact very complex situations, with complex solutions.
Moving on -
// The article is implying the responsibility for this woman's life lays with her bank and the online betting firm.
Do you think this is the case? //
No, I don;t believe that they carry all the responsibility, but I do believe that they bear some responsibility, which again speaks to the fact that situations don't exist in isolation, and suggesting that they do is failing to accept simple realities.
// I don't, for the reason's that i've outlined. //
I do, for reasons that I've outlined.
If you gamble, the only thing that could kill you is yourself and poor mental health.
It may sound harsh, but so? It is that simple and it is true. //
I think we are simply going to have to agree to differ on this, because my attempts to explain that what you appear to see as very simple situations with very simple solutions are in fact very complex situations, with complex solutions.
Moving on -
// The article is implying the responsibility for this woman's life lays with her bank and the online betting firm.
Do you think this is the case? //
No, I don;t believe that they carry all the responsibility, but I do believe that they bear some responsibility, which again speaks to the fact that situations don't exist in isolation, and suggesting that they do is failing to accept simple realities.
// I don't, for the reason's that i've outlined. //
I do, for reasons that I've outlined.
TheDevil - // Andy saying that I have a poor understanding of mental health doesn't make my answers false in any way and it doesn't make your answers right. //
I am not suggesting that your answers are 'false', I am suggesting that they are overly simplistic, which is not the same thing.
// Who cares if my understanding may not be what it could? //
Maybe you should? It's a thought.
// What i've said is as it is, regardless of how much emotional availability I have for gamblers who kill themselves. //
It is, but if everyone takes the attitude that anything that does not directly impact on them is therefore nothing they should think about, then society will collapse overnight.
// A bank and a online betting firm can not be responsible for someones mental health. //
I am not suggesting that they should, but not being responsible to customers, and not having some responsibility is an important distinction - and again it speaks to the concept of not living in isolation, and not ignoring the impact of the companies's systems because it doesn't affect them directly.
// The lady should have got help. //
No-one would disagree with that, but suicidal people are not always able to get help,through no fault of their own, that is why suicide takes place.
I am not suggesting that your answers are 'false', I am suggesting that they are overly simplistic, which is not the same thing.
// Who cares if my understanding may not be what it could? //
Maybe you should? It's a thought.
// What i've said is as it is, regardless of how much emotional availability I have for gamblers who kill themselves. //
It is, but if everyone takes the attitude that anything that does not directly impact on them is therefore nothing they should think about, then society will collapse overnight.
// A bank and a online betting firm can not be responsible for someones mental health. //
I am not suggesting that they should, but not being responsible to customers, and not having some responsibility is an important distinction - and again it speaks to the concept of not living in isolation, and not ignoring the impact of the companies's systems because it doesn't affect them directly.
// The lady should have got help. //
No-one would disagree with that, but suicidal people are not always able to get help,through no fault of their own, that is why suicide takes place.
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