I'll Just Leave This Here

[douglas9401]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-52779356

Feel free to divide down party lines

[andy-hughes]

douglas - // Thanks for that brief summary. //

It wasn't a 'summary' and it wasn't 'brief' - apart from that you are as bang on the money as usual.

[douglas9401]

'Not Getting The Joke Since 1960'

[andy-hughes]

douglas - // 'Not Getting The Joke Since 1960' //

If, as usual, you have come on an interesting and developing thread simply to throw your own pointless off-thread animosity in my direction yet again, please stop.

I get it, you don't like me, and I don't care. We have done this to death, so back to the thread shall we?

There's a good chap.

[Theland]

Cummings is an employee not an elected official and makes no decisions, only offering advice.
Therefore, should all employees who have broken the rules lose their livelihood?

[jim360]

It's looking worse still for him, if the reports that he in fact didn't even stay at the house in Durham turn out to be true. I said earlier today and meant it that he could and should apologise and that could be the end of it, but that was based on the idea of one breach, not, as it may well be, several.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/may/23/new-witnesses-cast-doubt-on-dominic-cummingss-lockdown-claims

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/may/23/in-private-tories-were-dismayed-in-public-they-rallied-to-save-dominic-cummings

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8350755/Ministers-squirm-insist-Dominic-Cummings-did-NOT-break-rules.html

The sub-header in the DM article about how Cummings is "not bothered" would suggest he is particularly tone-deaf. There seems to be no self-awareness, no contrition, no attempt to acknowledge that whatever the rationale behind it, this looks bad and that isn't just a perception driven by agendas. Yes, I personally hate everything he stands for and find him an unpleasant individual, but a single error of judgement requires a single apology, and it is sad if predictable that, instead of offering one, Downing Street has decided that Cummings is too big to fail.

I suspect, sadly, we all know why too.

[Theland]

Just fine him £1000 like every other rule breaker.

[andy-hughes]

Theland - // Cummings is an employee not an elected official and makes no decisions, only offering advice.
Therefore, should all employees who have broken the rules lose their livelihood? //

Your point makes no sense - if Mr Cummings is not an employee, how is the dismissal of employees relevant?

If you read my previous post, I have pointed out in some detail that Mr Cummings is not 'all employees' - he is a high profile advisor to the PM and was instrumental in framing the advice governing the curtailment of movement that he has flagrantly flouted on two occasions.

The luxury of anonymity afforded to the rest of us, is not available to Mr Cummings, but as compensation, he is extremely well remunerated for the high profile attached to his position, which would also make child-care arrangements well beyond the reach of the average citizen, easily available to him, had he chosen to take them.

[andy-hughes]

Theland - // Just fine him £1000 like every other rule breaker. //

He is not 'every other rule breaker' - that, although you appear to be missing it, is the point.

[Togo]

//he is a high profile advisor to the PM //

High profile? Who made him high profile? How many times is he on teevee every day? Who advises you? Sack the dummy.

[archibaldy]

New reports that he broke the lockdown rules a second time on April 19th. His days are truly numbered.

[andy-hughes]

archi - // New reports that he broke the lockdown rules a second time on April 19th. His days are truly numbered. //

You'd hope so ...

[royfromaus]

andy-hughes
douglas - // 'Not Getting The Joke Since 1960' //

If, as usual, you have come on an interesting and developing thread simply to throw your own pointless off-thread animosity in my direction yet again, please stop.



To be fair douglas came to the thread rather early.

Cummings should be goings.

[andy-hughes]

roy - // To be fair douglas came to the thread rather early. //

The timing is not the issue, the distraction is.

[Theland]

Sacking him could be a loss of a unique talent.
Throw out the baby etc etc

[andy-hughes]

Theland - // Sacking him could be a loss of a unique talent.
Throw out the baby etc etc //

As I have opined many times, politics is all about perception.

What ever Mr Cummings' talents may be, they are obliterated in the eyes of the electorate by his crass absence of judgement, and his arrogance in refusing to acknowledge said absence.

Advisers come and go, but the government is here for the duration, and it's their behaviour that the people remember on election day.

In my view, whatever Mr Cummings brings to the table is fatally tainted by his cavalier approach.

He clearly lacks the common decency to do the right thing, so the PM needs to be seen to do it instead.

[tomus42]

It's a tricky one because Boris doesn't do anything without consulting Cummings, so he'll have to ask him 'should I sack you?'.

[Ellipsis]

Yes, we stand to lose a first class tw@ if he's fired ...

[cassa333]

Divide down party lines? Oh I see what you did there Douglas. You assumed all conservatives would forgive him or make excuses. And other party affiliates would condemn him.

Says more about you than other posters.

[Mozz71]

//Yes, we stand to lose a first class tw@ if he's fired//

Don't worry Ellipsis, they're a dime a dozen at Conservative HQ.

[Mozz71]

//Avatar Image cassa333
Divide down party lines? Oh I see what you did there Douglas. You assumed all conservatives would forgive him or make excuses. And other party affiliates would condemn him.

Says more about you than other posters.//