324 Covid Deaths Yesterday, And 2,095 Cases Are They Easing Lockdown Too Early ?

[Gromit]

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[diddlydo]

Prof Calum Semple, Sage member:
// "Essentially we're lifting the lid on a boiling pan and it's just going to bubble over. We need to get it down to simmer before we take the lift off, and it's too early." //

This has to be the most stupid and erroneous analogy ever! You lift the lid off a boiling pan to stop it boiling over. If you leave the lid on, it will continue to boil over and never get down to simmering point. Has this so-called professor ever done any cooking?

[jno]

he doesn't profess to be a professor of cooking...

[teacake44]

The infection rate in Italy and Spain is on average 300 a day, hence their easing of lockdown. Its obvious that Boris and his government are on this occasion ignoring the science, that being, it is to early, only because it is yet another erratic move by Boris to hand a sweet little carrot to the public, in an attempt to divert the attention away from Cummings, at what cost, more infections and lives, plus more hardship for the NHS. This bloke is a first class prat.

[jno]

ymb, you wonder about the financial status of those advocating lockdown, as if it was the only factor. I'm okay for money but I am not okay for age and health, which as far as I'm concerned is an equally valid reason for wanting lockdown to continue.

[jim360]

"just doing stuff" can also cover activity for the sake of it. I suppose my point, if I have one, is that the mentality of economic activity is far too focused on short-term over longer-term considerations. It may be that I am wrong, of course. But I still find it staggering that an economic model that is incapable of coping with a short "pause" for a month is the only model available.

[mushroom25]

//I'm okay for money but I am not okay for age and health, which as far as I'm concerned is an equally valid reason for wanting lockdown to continue. //

as pension schemes are the world's biggest ponzie, your fiscal wellbeing depends on payments being made by those who are still working. if those people aren't working, there must come a time when your source of cash will be seriously at risk.

[daisypotter]

^ Not so. My relatives worked hard all their lives and paid their NIC's which they were told would pay their pensions on retirement. My dear Aunt paid her way for 43 years full-time and never had a break, she more than did her 'bit'. What she gets now is nothing more than she deserves and the same for all who worked hard during their lives. Far too many pensioner knockers on this site for my liking, you'll all be old one day you know!

[10ClarionSt]

As I've said before on here, Sd is only happening in supermarket and shop queues. I don't see it anywhere else, even when people get inside the shops and supermarkets. Most people use the sanitisers whilst queueing up; they just pick it up after the previous person without any thought, no gloves on, then spray the trolley handle, then put it back. Lots of people are using cash for shopping. It doesn't make sense.

[mushroom25]

// My relatives worked hard all their lives and paid their NIC's //

….and their NICs paid for those who were retired at the time. Your NICs (and mine too) are currently paying for your hard working relatives. if you live long enough, your pension will be paid by your offspring. that's not pensioner-bashing, that's how it works; NIC is not a personal savings bank.

[teacake44]

14.40 There is NO full proof way of controlling this virus, only the best attempts that one can muster up, the main one being that we all know.

[10ClarionSt]

Get rid of the lockdown and get back to normal. If this is war (as some are inclined to compare Johnson with Churchill), then in wartime there is always collateral damage. Churchill knew that and accepted it as part of the over all objective. Nobody ever won a war by SD and isolation.

[10ClarionSt]

Where's Mozz? My chains rattle very loudly when I emerge from the crypt!

[jno]

mushroom, the state pension barely covers my champagne and caviar bills; but I've got a decent workplace pension and saved hard all my life; it now all brings in a lot more than leaving it in the bank. I don't want to waste it all by dying prematurely.

[daisypotter]

14:41 - so what, like I said they worked hard all their lives and paid their way and they were TOLD that their NIC's would pay for their pension. I believe them before I believe you. Pensioners also have a lot to deal with in respect of many ailments that come with old age, so they deserve a good pension to help get them through this period of their lives and unlike some on here, I don't begrudge that. If some of them want to stay in lockdown, good luck to them. Don't see why they should be afraid to die just because they are 'old'!!

[Mozz71]

//Where's Mozz? My chains rattle very loudly when I emerge from the crypt!//

Doing your best Jacob Marley eh 10CS?

[ChillDoubt]

Gromit
// folks will die if we don't get back to normal //

Lockdown is killing people? Shops have to open to save lives?
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Odd riposte from someone who was adamant on still attending ‘the local’ with their small clique when all this started, way back when......

[Ken4155]

You speak of 'collateral damage' 10C. Those old soldiers who survived the war and who are being pushed in their wheelchairs every November are now the 'collateral damage' of this war. You ok with that, are you?

[royfromaus]

jno
mushroom, the state pension barely covers my champagne and caviar bills; but I've got a decent workplace pension and saved hard all my life; it now all brings in a lot more than leaving it in the bank. I don't want to waste it all by dying prematurely.




You're lucky then.
Get your food delivered don't let anyone in and stay indoors...simple enough.


What is your suggestion to those that can't afford to do that?

[Deskdiary]

Indeed Roy. If ever there was an ‘I’m alright Jack’ look no further.

I haven’t been affected from a work or money point of view from the lockdown - if anything I’m better off; I haven’t had to put a drop of fuel in the cars of bike for over two months and Mrs DD has not been able to go shopping (although the Amazon orders have increased!).

I’m one of the lucky ones at the moment, but spare a thought for those that aren’t; the people working in the leisure and hospitality fields, the people in the hair and beauty fields, the people who work in non-essential shops. At best they will have taken a haircut and be benefitting from the furlough payments, but at worse, and for many many of them, their employers will not survive and they will be without work.

Without work they will need benefits...which are paid for by people who may still have a job at the moment, but the longer this goes on they may lose their jobs and need to claim benefits, and so on.

The lockdown needs to end now to help these people.

Those who are against it ending, at what point would they be happy for it to end? Zero deaths a day (ain’t gonna happen for ages), 10, 20, 50, 100 deaths a day?

[Ken4155]

^
Possibly when the track and trace thingummyjig is up, running and proving to be a useful tool.