13:34 yes I said that and I stand by it. I will not subscribe to all the hysteria over this thug's death (don't forget he held a gun to a pregnant woman's stomach, how scared must she have been?) and divegirl you can criticise me all you like, I can utterly assure you that I do not give a toss. Personally, I get far more upset over the deaths of innocent people killed by thugs, than a thug being killed - I'm funny that way!!
Carry on, do your worst, I.don't.care.