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I did ask a good few days back whether the Government's decision to lower the social distancing guidelines would lead to some believing it to signal that things were almost 'back to normal'. Seems that some certainly did, and not just in Bournemouth. Apparently Blackpool beach was also quite busy. So busy, in fact, that one mother stayed only 5 minutes, saw...
15:20 Fri 26th Jun 2020
When we were in lockdown the beaches were closed. We now have a beach app that says how crowded each beach is. On some beaches areas are marked out for people to sit, there is a one way system in place and most ball games are not allowed. I am not sure if people are actually turned away if a beach is considered too crowded. Sun loungers must be reserved and for am or pm, not all day. Parking regulations are being enforced. What will happen in the height of summer I don’t know
I think a bit of sanity needs to be injected here. Firstly, Bournemouth beach:
//they need to close all beauty spots till this is under control,//
Bournemouth beach is enormous. There are more than eighty points of entry to it, some from car parks, some from roads, some from footpaths, many from a promenade that stretches for quite a distance. Preventing people going on to it would be near enough impossible and in any case it is completely unjustified.
//Maybe the beaches could remain open, if there were people to enforce social distancing and implement, say, a one-out-one-in policy like they're doing at most supermarkets - i.e. have a maximum number of people on the beach at any given time.//
See above. A supermarket has one or perhaps two points of entry. Control is easy. With 80+ points of entry it is not.
//police patrolling them and issuing fines to those flouting the law maybe?//
There were around 500,000 people on Bournemouth beach yesterday. How many police will it take to "patrol" them? More than that, the only law I could see being flouted (and I didn’t see much of it) was gatherings of more than six people who are not all from the same household. “Social Distancing” is guidance. It is not the law. If people want to sit closer than 2m to each other that’s their choice.
Now generally:
//This won't last forever.//
//Oh no Bobbi, Is this never going to end??//
No it won’t last forever. But it will last far too long to expect people to behave unnaturally. When lockdown first began I forecast that the beginning of June would see the start of it being widely ignored. I was a little bit out, but even if the rules had not been relaxed to allow more travel, I believe people would have travelled nonetheless. It is completely unrealistic to expect people to remain where they are especially when 10m are not at work and most of their children are not at school.
I supported the lockdown when it was first implemented. Its aim was to stop the NHS being overwhelmed. Now it has gone on far too long and the goalposts seem to have been moved. The focus seems to have shifted to trying to prevent the spread of the virus at all (which cannot be done). The remaining businesses that are to be allowed to open next week are hamstrung by pages of “guidance” which will be enforced as law and which will make many of those businesses untenable.
The emphasis must shift to properly protecting the vulnerable so that they need not go out if they don’t want to. The remainder of the population must be free to return to normality - and quickly.
//they need to close all beauty spots till this is under control,//
Bournemouth beach is enormous. There are more than eighty points of entry to it, some from car parks, some from roads, some from footpaths, many from a promenade that stretches for quite a distance. Preventing people going on to it would be near enough impossible and in any case it is completely unjustified.
//Maybe the beaches could remain open, if there were people to enforce social distancing and implement, say, a one-out-one-in policy like they're doing at most supermarkets - i.e. have a maximum number of people on the beach at any given time.//
See above. A supermarket has one or perhaps two points of entry. Control is easy. With 80+ points of entry it is not.
//police patrolling them and issuing fines to those flouting the law maybe?//
There were around 500,000 people on Bournemouth beach yesterday. How many police will it take to "patrol" them? More than that, the only law I could see being flouted (and I didn’t see much of it) was gatherings of more than six people who are not all from the same household. “Social Distancing” is guidance. It is not the law. If people want to sit closer than 2m to each other that’s their choice.
Now generally:
//This won't last forever.//
//Oh no Bobbi, Is this never going to end??//
No it won’t last forever. But it will last far too long to expect people to behave unnaturally. When lockdown first began I forecast that the beginning of June would see the start of it being widely ignored. I was a little bit out, but even if the rules had not been relaxed to allow more travel, I believe people would have travelled nonetheless. It is completely unrealistic to expect people to remain where they are especially when 10m are not at work and most of their children are not at school.
I supported the lockdown when it was first implemented. Its aim was to stop the NHS being overwhelmed. Now it has gone on far too long and the goalposts seem to have been moved. The focus seems to have shifted to trying to prevent the spread of the virus at all (which cannot be done). The remaining businesses that are to be allowed to open next week are hamstrung by pages of “guidance” which will be enforced as law and which will make many of those businesses untenable.
The emphasis must shift to properly protecting the vulnerable so that they need not go out if they don’t want to. The remainder of the population must be free to return to normality - and quickly.
/The emphasis must shift to properly protecting the vulnerable so that they need not go out if they don’t want to. The remainder of the population must be free to return to normality - and quickly./
NJ, I said that weeks ago. The lockdown must end now. We are going to have to live with it. The govt know who the most vulnerable are. They must have learned that much at least. The most vulnerable are a tiny fraction of the population. All the effort must be made in that area whilst the rest of the country gets back to normal.
NJ, I said that weeks ago. The lockdown must end now. We are going to have to live with it. The govt know who the most vulnerable are. They must have learned that much at least. The most vulnerable are a tiny fraction of the population. All the effort must be made in that area whilst the rest of the country gets back to normal.
10C - // The lockdown must end now. We are going to have to live with it. The govt know who the most vulnerable are. They must have learned that much at least. The most vulnerable are a tiny fraction of the population. All the effort must be made in that area whilst the rest of the country gets back to normal. //
I entirely agree.
i said weeks ago that there was a cross-over point where the lockdown would destroy the economy beyond the limits of recovery, which would destroy normality for everyone, including the vulnerable we are protecting.
We have to assimilate Covid like we have assimilated flu - thousands of vulnerable people die from it every year, society lives with it because it has no choice.
Yes it's a nasty virus, but it's not the Black Death - we have to move into a phase of adaptation, not utter fear.
I entirely agree.
i said weeks ago that there was a cross-over point where the lockdown would destroy the economy beyond the limits of recovery, which would destroy normality for everyone, including the vulnerable we are protecting.
We have to assimilate Covid like we have assimilated flu - thousands of vulnerable people die from it every year, society lives with it because it has no choice.
Yes it's a nasty virus, but it's not the Black Death - we have to move into a phase of adaptation, not utter fear.
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