Apology ?

[gulliver1]

Boris Johnson refuses to apologise to care workers at PMQs. After Blaming them for high death rates in care homes.

[gulliver1]

"Never before in the field of human B/S, has soo much of it been peddled by one man to so many.

[gulliver1]

That was just for TTT.

[Deskdiary]

The Government doesn’t discharge people from hospital Gulliver; clinicians do.

Somehow I think we’d have heard about it by now if there was a diktat from the Govt forcing clinicians to discharge people.

[CrapAtCryptics]

I believe the crucial word here is "some" and without a doubt not all homes were on the ball.

[jourdain2]

It's all semantics, isn't it? 'No sick person was discharged to a care home' (editorial Daily Telegraph today). Perfectly accurate. Snag is that I knew an elderly lady, who had a few waterworks problems and was otherwise healthy, who was sent by her care home to Brid. hospital to check on a slight heart abnormality and returned a day later.

You've guessed it - she had picked up Corona in hospital and died from it a couple of weeks later - so did several other inmates. She was perfectly healthy when discharged to her care home.

[Peter Pedant]

// I want .... to see where he blamed care workers for deaths.//
proof corrected to make a little sense

so we agree that Boris blamed the care workers for home are covid but no one died from it?

oh god this HAS to be AB !

[Gromit]

NHS staff visiting people in March in their homes or Private Care Homes SHOULD have had PPE. It seems reasonable to blame NHS procurement if that didn’t happen. Lack of PPE greatly increased the spread of the virus to very vulnerable elderly people, and is why our death toll exceeds neighbouring countries.
The Prime Minister blame Care Home Owners for that scenario, but the real culprits are his own Department for Health.

[Peter Pedant]

// Somehow I think we’d have heard about it by now if there was a diktat from the Govt forcing clinicians to discharge people.//

er yes there was
this is usual in an emergency of this size

the childrens hospital locally was closed and all beds taken up and filled by adults with COVID - that of course was following a diktat

[diddlydo]

Boris and his government have scrambled egg all over their faces.

[andres]

I don't know what Boris has to apologise for. When I worked
in the N.H.S. before a patient was discharged there was always a meeting of Nursing staff, Social workers,family members or Care Home Staff to discuss the after care. We never consulted our local M.P. let alone the Prime Minister.

[Gromit]

andres
I don’t think the tens of thousands who died met their MP or the Prime Minister.

// there was always a meeting of Nursing staff, Social workers,family members or Care Home Staff to discuss the after care. //

Even if that happened (and we have no evidence it did), they were already fatally infected with Covid-19, so unfortunately were dead meat.

[andres]

^^^^Just trying to point out that the decision to return the patients back to the Care Homes would have been the responsibility of the medical staff.

[jesmond]

I thought if someone was in a " private care home" and lets face it there arent many local authority homes, that they were responsible for supplying their own ppe, also as someone else said thats its upto hospital clinicians who got discharged back to their care home and not politicians so who knows how many have taken covid from the hospital to the care home

[THECORBYLOON]

Would it not have made sense for all of these patients to be tested for covid-19 prior to their being discharged back into care?

[Gromit]

Corby,
Back in March, there was no tracking, no tracing, no PPE and nobody was particularly bothered.

[THECORBYLOON]

It was happening until April 15th in England.

[Peter Pedant]

// Back in March, there was no tracking, no tracing, no PPE and nobody was particularly bothered.//

I wd say yeah to this - PPE I was a bit surprised - why were the 'usual measures at sterility' suddenly inadequate

and no testing - PHE then led by paul cosford I think - just said "we cant do it" and dont let anyone else do it !
and the govt seems to have said - yeah OK

so there is a bit to enquire about I suppose
but you know not millions which I wd rather see given to widows or the carers

[Peter Pedant]

// Would it not have made sense for all of these patients to be tested for covid-19 prior to their being discharged back into care?//

erm I am not sure if they previsaged this
when you say to a care home wd you like to have your 5 pts back they are pretty well bound to say no thank you

and there was deffo no capacity to test

[Peter Pedant]

// / there was always a meeting of Nursing staff, ......... to discuss the after care. //

erm they couldnt wait to get rid of me after I had pointed out that my colon surgery was taking place next to a person with a hip replacement ( v v bad in anyones book) and they had asked me well what then?

[dannyk13]

Maybe Gulliver should take a leaf out of Starmer's book and keep quiet
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1306604/pmqs-live-boris-johnson-keir-starmer-coronavirus-news-uk-politics-news