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Canary42 | 14:37 Tue 21st Jul 2020 | News
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I see the Tories have voted to include the NHS in any trade deal.

TRAITORS to the People's NHS, we paid for it, it's OURS to keep, not to sell off to meet Tory financial losses.
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Link please?
I think there is a difference between allowing US firms to tender for drug supplies, and maybe services that were outsourced under PFI (Labour govt), and what you are maybe picturing which is huge hospitals being sold off to Trump
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Link: Hansard

Division 79

20 July 2020

9.14 pm
I'll read it if you post it. Thanks
A link please.The NHS is not for sale and medications etc have for a long time been included in trade with other countries.One of my inhalers comes form Germany.
Much of the NHS is already privatised. It needs a complete re-think, the current model is unsustainable.
I assume this is post Brexit trade deals so it will allow the US to tender for inhalers. (Oh, and maybe chlorinated chicken will be the only thing on the menu at NHS hospitals)
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OK, you asked. Here is the clause tabled by the Labour Party and voted down.

New Clause 17

International trade agreements: health or care services

(1) Regulations under section 2(1) may make provision for the purpose of implementing an international trade agreement only if the conditions in subsections (2) and (3) are met in relation to the application of that agreement in any part of the United Kingdom.



(2) The condition in this subsection is that no provision of that international trade agreement in any way undermines or restricts the ability of an appropriate authority—

(a) to provide a comprehensive publicly funded health service free at the point of delivery,

(b) to protect the employment rights or terms and conditions of employment for public sectoremployees and those working in publicly funded health or care sectors,

(c) to regulate and maintain the quality and safety of health or care services,

(d) to regulate and control the pricing and reimbursement systems for the purchase of medicines or medical devices, or

(e) to regulate and maintain the level of protection afforded in relation to patient data, public health data and publicly provided social care data relating to UK citizens.

(3) The condition in this subsection is that the agreement—

(a) explicitly excludes application of any provision within that agreement to publicly funded health or care services,

(b) explicitly excludes provision for any Investor-State Dispute Settlement (ISDS) clause that provides, or is related to, the delivery of public services, health care, care or public health,

(c) explicitly excludes the use of any negative listing, standstill or ratchet clause that provides, or is related to, the delivery of public services, health care, care or public health,

(d) contains explicit recognition that an appropriate authority (within the meaning of section 4) has the right to enact policies, legislation and regulation which protects and promotes health,

public health, social care and public safety in health or care services, and

(e) prohibits the sale of patient data, public health data and publicly provided social care data.

(4) For the purposes of this section—

“negative listing” means a listing only of exceptions, exclusions or limits to commitments made by parties to the agreement;

“ratchet” in relation to any provision in an agreement means any provision whereby a party, if (after the agreement has been ratified) it has unilaterally removed a barrier in an area where it had made a commitment before the agreement was ratified, may not reintroduce that barrier, and

“standstill” in relation to any provision in an agreement means any provision by which parties list barriers which are in force at the time that they sign the agreement and undertake not to introduce any new barriers.—(Bill Esterson.)

This amendment would aim to protect the NHS and publicly funded health and care services in other parts of the UK from any form of control from outside the UK.
Canary, your second paragraph is absolute rubbish.
Interesting voting figures there, Mamyalynne:

"The amendment, which was put forward by Green Party MP Caroline Lucas and supported by Labour leader Keir Starmer and a number of other senior Labour MPs, was voted down by a margin of 340 to 241 thanks to the Tories’ overwhelming parliamentary majority." There must also have been quite a few opposition MPs who voted against the amendment
Canary- you said "Here is the clause tabled by the Labour Party and voted down.".
According to Mamyalynne's link it was tabled by Caroline Lucas of the Green party, not by Labour
Think you are wrong on this one
link?
oh dear canary!
'Think you are wrong on this one'

Status Quo then.
so what is actually "for sale" canary? can you explain?
The premise that the NHS is paid for is a bizarre one in any case.
NHS is precious, but far from perfect, and ignoring cancer care because resources were needed elsewhere is an example among many more.
Privatising invites unnecessary procedures for profit, but fills in the gaps we have now.
It needs to save money, and charges for some services would be reasonable, such as drunken time wasters, ambulance services for city centre club troublemakers etc.
"The premise that the NHS is paid for is a bizarre one in any case"
It just runs for free then??

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