Vaccinate Against C19 ?

[johnny.5]

will it be mandatory to be vaccinated against covid 19 in certain professions?
and if any such person refused could they be dismissed?
and on what grounds ?
or if they took the vaccine and had a bad reaction would they be able to sue?
if they didn't get vaccinated and they were suspected of infecting someone would they be liable?

[KARL]

In most of the world (and at WHO) short-cutting the reliability/safety aspects of vaccine approval will not be tolerated, that's why arriving at an effective and safe vaccine will take time, a year or two. Optimism is one thing, realism should not be excluded by it.

[Peter Pedant]

at that time - the vast majority of us had had Jenners vaccine and the scar to prove it (small pox)

[Gromit]

PP
The DofH have enacted some totally bizarre stuff over the last 5 months, I wouldn’t put compulsory vaccination past them. NJ says that is currently not legal.

The NHS spends £100million every year on flu jabs. Perhaps asking vulnerable people to self isolate during the flu season, would be just as effective and save the NHS £100M?

[youngmafbog]

"YMB, do you honestly think they'll prematurely release a vaccine which could potentially have hazardous consequences to people's health?"

In the current climate of panic and hysteria (usually driven by the MSM) coupled with the Government being under pressure to 'solve it' yes I do think corners could be cut.

You talk about a small number of people suffering ill effects. That is generally true and I would not expect anything to be rushed out that was harmful to the majority. BUT, the problem here is mass inoculation meaning there will be far larger numbers of people who will react.

Therefore IMHO no vaccine should be rushed out or if it is it should be made clear that the receiver accepts all risks. If we dont do that the Ambulance chasing pond life will have a field day and break an already struggling NHS and economy.

[woofgang]

I am assuming that by "reactions" you mean allergic reactions? Those can happen regardless of how efficaceous the vaccine is so that's not an issue unless the reaction is immediate and deadly with no possible mitigation. Its not difficult to administer risky stuff by requiring the injectee to stay put for a period of time post vac and having truckloads of epipens to hand. I think that unexpected side effects eg thalidomide are better known about now and yes I would expect thorough testing for those.

[Peter Pedant]

// In the current climate of panic, hysteria ( being under pressure to 'solve it' ) yes I do think corners could be cut.//

has been discussed before but we can do it again

the corners - would be corners of regulation - and if they can be cut safely then that would be a sign we are 'over-regulated' (*)
and if little babies DDDDIIIIIEEEEE! then the relevant govt minister wd say - sagely ( pun intended) - you see, the man in whitehall really DOES know best (**)

and if there is over-regulation then the thought should occur that we are doing this and spending money and whose benefit is it since it is not in the patients'.

and yes I think there is obvious over regualtion and yes I think it is in the interest of price fixing for pharma (***)

(*) fixed parking penalties- typical example - to appeal you have to wait the 90 d AND write to the correct address even if as in my case the day of the blue badge was obscured but not the year.
(**) Douglas Jay , father of J Jay - now Lord Jay who married the PM's daughter and never looked back
(***) practolol never got a licence from the foot draggers of America ( er FDA that is ) and when it caused sort of 2 cases of renal fibrosis, pharma said 'look look! - look how safe we have made it all, 2 lives saved, no amdeican deaths - hooray for international pharma!'
and even then 1978 he american socty of cardiologists said
even if prac is 10% better, and there are 200 000 cardiac deaths in the Land of the free, then that is 20 000 lives saved during the time it was on the market, instead of 2 deaths from fibrosis

the end

[woofgang]

Hmmm I put a post on here.... Shortly before I retired my team was referred a chap for community rehab after a broken leg. He had broken it somewhere exotic where he was working, had it fixed there and flown home. "Oh by the way he is also being treated for active TB, caught in the same exotic place, but you won't mind that will you?" Cue for long phonecalls to Public Health and tropical disease boffins, Occy Health had started screaming when we mentioned active TB. All the young'uns among us of course hadn't had BCG. While they were still deciding what we should do, the bloke decided to fly back to his exotic workplace and rehab himself. Phew.