Does She Have A Point?

[Khandro]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/comment/almost-starting-think-whole-pandemic-really-conspiracy/

I began reading this article with some scepticism but as I continued & looked at the statistics I found it more & more compelling, does anyone else feel this way?

[piggynose]

Thanks Sqad. You knew wot i meant.

[jim360]

// I suggested that the median was 124 //

Duly noted, NJ :)

[pixie374]

That was my question, nj. Not even just care homes, but sheltered housing etc, they interact with each other a lot.

[Khandro]

Well said NJ

ellipsis: //if you've looked at the statistics in that article, and believe them, and believe that's the whole truth, with no spin, and that's what's alleviated your scepticism, then there's little point me trying to change your mind. //

There is every point in trying to "change" my mind & it would be easily done by the simple expedient of, if you think her stats are wrong by a marked degree, giving us some accredited others.

This article may be wrong, but it was on the front page of the Daily Telegraph & was thought editorially to be worth publishing.

[allenlondon]

Hogwash.

Go ask the nurses and doctors working long shifts battling the ‘invention’ in overcrowded, underfunded hospital wards.

And nobody has answered the question cui bono? Who benefits? Who gains?

What a lot of cobblers.

[ynnafymmi]

One thing for sure,the Chinese Bacterial Warfare Unit started this whole business.If it ever ends the Chinese government will have to pay out a lot of compensation worldwide,they are the richest country in the world after all,after USA.Socialists,huh.

[TrevorThePug]

"This article may be wrong, but it was on the front page of the Daily Telegraph & was thought editorially to be worth publishing."

She's a senior content editor, it wasn't through merit. Front page to reel in the gullible and misinformed. They regularly do the same with climate change "conspiracy".

[Khandro]

allen //Go ask the nurses and doctors working long shifts battling the ‘invention’ in overcrowded, underfunded hospital wards.//

Can you give a link for this assertion please?

[New Judge]

//Go ask the nurses and doctors working long shifts battling the ‘invention’ in overcrowded, underfunded hospital wards.//

My district hospital currently has 80% of its wards unoccupied. It has had an average bed occupancy of a little over 25% all through the summer. It has almost 600 beds meaning around 450 have remained empty for around six months. All so-called "elective" surgery has been cancelled UFN. The day surgery centre is closed.

[bobbinwales]

Are NHS is more than one district hospital. A heard on the News tonight that the North West hospital's in England now have more corona bed cases than London, SE England & SW England, Now Yorkshires going to Tier 3 as there cases are shooting up. Yes some hospitals are quiet at presant but some a snowed under

[bobbinwales]

Thanks' for your average age figures what you gave me earlier judge, a didnt see them until now. Intresting. A dont think those in carehomes who got it first before they were sent to hospital and back again (scandelous by the hospitals) got it from older peopel visiting or while out shopping tho- the must of gotten it from staff or younger visiters bringing it in. But am feeling a bit safer now as am still just about in 50s so will probly shake it off if a get it. Tho it still means 500000 of the worlds corona dead are under 80 mind so cant be to confident!

[New Judge]

And I forgot to add that there are currently around 7,000 people in hospital with Covid, about 8% of them in Mechanical Ventilation beds. The UK has a little over 140,000 hospital beds meaning that "the nurses and doctors working long shifts battling the ‘invention’ in overcrowded, underfunded hospital wards" are attending about 5% of the nation's hospital beds.

Nobody I know is denying Covid exists. Nobody I know denies that a very small percentage of the people who contract it will suffer serious symptoms and may die. If you read Ms Elliott's article you will see that neither is she. She is questioning why the global economy should be so comprehensively trashed to combat a disease that is, for a vast majority of those contracting it, a minor inconvenience.

//A heard on the News tonight that the North West hospital's in England now have more corona bed cases than London, SE England & SW England,...//

That should come as no surprise. SE and particularly SW England has a very low number of hospital cases and London isn't even close to being overwhelmed. Last Sunday (the last day for which full figures are available) 6,431 patients were in hospital with Covid and 629 of them were on mechanical ventilation. On 8th April 19,337 people were in hospital with Covid and just under 3,000 of them were on mechanical ventilation. A sense of perspective rather than rabid hysteria is required.

[pixie374]

//A dont think those in carehomes who got it first before they were sent to hospital and back again//

Bobbin, the ones I know of, got it "from" the hospital.

[allenlondon]

I know, I know.

And the US government blew up the Twin Towers, they never went to the moon, and superintelligent lizards are in charge.

Simple, innit.

[jourdain2]

I would like to support Pixie. The only lady I know of who died in a care home was perfectly healthy (apart from being old and alone) and she developed a bit of a heart arrythmia (not particularly serious). She was sent to the local hospital for assessment and tests for a couple of days.

You can guess, she came back with Covid, spread it around the home and died of it a week later. Criminal carelessness - other residents then died.

[allenlondon]

Answer the only question.

Cui bono? Who benefits? Who gains?

Or is it just a student hoax?

[jourdain2]

bobinwales 20.03 No, Yorkshire is not going up a tier. It is a very large county. S. Yorkshire (Sheffield etc.) and the West Riding are coming under new rules along with the City of York, which is quite a tight area. North Yorkshire (a massive area and probably bigger than S. & W. Yorks. combined) remains in the lowest tier and my bit of the county (The East Riding) doesn't ever get a mention. Mainly it is the industrial cities and there are many dichotomies there. My sister lives more or less isolated on the edge of Ilkley Moor and is under the same constraints as an inner-city dweller in Manningham (Bradford). It is all very unbalanced and 'hammer and nut' approach.

[tomus42]

Grown up questions about whether the response is proportonal to the threat are valid, and do need to be asked.

Juvenile conspiracy nonsense is laughable.

[Khandro]

For every 1,000 people infected with the coronavirus who are under the age of 50, almost none will die. For people in their fifties and early sixties, about five will die — more men than women. The risk then climbs steeply as the years accrue.

[Peter Pedant]

Grown up questions about whether the response is proportonal to the threat are valid, and do need to be asked.

do need to be answered surely

The pretty boys and minutemen would approve of - "isolate the elderly and if they die then they DDDIIIIIEEE!" and otherwise go out and party....
because their mommas wont
the lower paid and more blue collar families live together as a result of cost and this cannotbe achieved

all the rich old white ladies can

no wonder the usual suspects of Aryan Bank favour Plan A