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A Bizarre Quote
“Non-essential goods are not allowed to be sold over the next two weeks. That's why there are hundreds of shops the length and breadth of Wales are closed. The underlying issue is not about shopping, it is about saving lives."
This statement from Wales’s first minister makes absolutely no sense.
I was about to post this to an existing discussion. This has now been removed it appears.
Please, AB, do not keep doing this unless there’s a really good reason.
It’s infuriating
This statement from Wales’s first minister makes absolutely no sense.
I was about to post this to an existing discussion. This has now been removed it appears.
Please, AB, do not keep doing this unless there’s a really good reason.
It’s infuriating
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//I can see the inconveniences but also am able to discern there is also some sense behind the move in the short term.//
There are two issues with that:
Firstly, I would be very surprised if the Welsh lockdown lasts only 17 days. If it does, they would have no idea what effect it had and would simply have been doing something "to give it a try." Even if it does end when planned, there is already a suggestion that a repeat performance may have to take place in the New Year.
Secondly, this is not just "an inconvenience." Many businesses that have now been forced to close again have spent large sums on making their premises "Covid Secure" (which they're not, but the term makes everybody feel happy). They had to lock down once, spent a load of dosh that they could ill afford so that they could reopen "safely" and have now been closed down again. Businesses simply cannot go on like that. Many of those that nearly went to the wall last time will certainly go under now. Seventeen days with no revenue is a huge length of time for businesses that are already on their uppers and they will simply fold.
//Seems quite clear inthe context of Covid.
Reduce the number of shoppers and you reduce the number of covid cases and deaths.//
Quite. So shut down everything until further notice, confine people to their homes so they die of starvation and problem solved - no more Covid. Kill the patient to relieve him of his ingrowing toenail.
A different approach to "lockdowns" is required because they don't work without either killing the patient or causing him far more harm than the virus will.
There are two issues with that:
Firstly, I would be very surprised if the Welsh lockdown lasts only 17 days. If it does, they would have no idea what effect it had and would simply have been doing something "to give it a try." Even if it does end when planned, there is already a suggestion that a repeat performance may have to take place in the New Year.
Secondly, this is not just "an inconvenience." Many businesses that have now been forced to close again have spent large sums on making their premises "Covid Secure" (which they're not, but the term makes everybody feel happy). They had to lock down once, spent a load of dosh that they could ill afford so that they could reopen "safely" and have now been closed down again. Businesses simply cannot go on like that. Many of those that nearly went to the wall last time will certainly go under now. Seventeen days with no revenue is a huge length of time for businesses that are already on their uppers and they will simply fold.
//Seems quite clear inthe context of Covid.
Reduce the number of shoppers and you reduce the number of covid cases and deaths.//
Quite. So shut down everything until further notice, confine people to their homes so they die of starvation and problem solved - no more Covid. Kill the patient to relieve him of his ingrowing toenail.
A different approach to "lockdowns" is required because they don't work without either killing the patient or causing him far more harm than the virus will.
// Unbecoming comment by a respected member of AB.//
chrissakes sqad
predictable comment by a one of the usual crazies of AB.
come on sqad
he's the one that said there is no covid - and if there is it is really flu and come on people die, but not very many
it is only people like us sqad that keep this site sane !
chrissakes sqad
predictable comment by a one of the usual crazies of AB.
come on sqad
he's the one that said there is no covid - and if there is it is really flu and come on people die, but not very many
it is only people like us sqad that keep this site sane !
//It will all be rethunk as there has just been a stink on the box about ladies not being able to access sanitary essentials.//
That, apparently was a "misunderstanding" (civil service speak for a balls up). But it is symptomatic of the mess that the four governments have created. A mess that says:
You cannot buy a book (but you can buy "Private Eye")
You cannot visit your relatives (but you can go to a pub)
You must quarantine when you return home from abroad (perhaps from an area with lower infection rates than here) but you can travel on the Piccadilly Line to get there.
Upon arrival you can climb into bed with your wife (whom you've missed whilst you were away) and she can get up the next morning and go to work on the tube. But you cannot take her out for a meal when she gets home. Absolutely priceless.
That, apparently was a "misunderstanding" (civil service speak for a balls up). But it is symptomatic of the mess that the four governments have created. A mess that says:
You cannot buy a book (but you can buy "Private Eye")
You cannot visit your relatives (but you can go to a pub)
You must quarantine when you return home from abroad (perhaps from an area with lower infection rates than here) but you can travel on the Piccadilly Line to get there.
Upon arrival you can climb into bed with your wife (whom you've missed whilst you were away) and she can get up the next morning and go to work on the tube. But you cannot take her out for a meal when she gets home. Absolutely priceless.
A man was thrown out of a supermarket after he tried to do his weekly shop just in boxers and a face mask. Chris Noden, 38, was stopped by security staff as he tried to push his trolley into the Tesco store in Newport, south Wales. His wife Dawn, 33, filmed him as he tried to access the store saying: ‘Clothes are non essential – let him in.’
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//Unbecomming comment by a respected member of AB.//
Why? The attitude in the UK now is that nothing matters other than supressing the spread of the virus. The economy is in ruins; many businesses have gone to the wall; tens, if not hundreds of thousands of people have lost their jobs (with many more to come). But most importantly, there is now ample evidence that the (non-Covid) health of the nation is being seriously compromised. Excess deaths from the principle killer conditions are beginning to rise significantly.
The village is being razed to the ground to prevent it falling into enemy hands. I'm afraid it will take much more than my "unbecoming remarks" before the damage becomes so serious that somebody will have a re-think.
Why? The attitude in the UK now is that nothing matters other than supressing the spread of the virus. The economy is in ruins; many businesses have gone to the wall; tens, if not hundreds of thousands of people have lost their jobs (with many more to come). But most importantly, there is now ample evidence that the (non-Covid) health of the nation is being seriously compromised. Excess deaths from the principle killer conditions are beginning to rise significantly.
The village is being razed to the ground to prevent it falling into enemy hands. I'm afraid it will take much more than my "unbecoming remarks" before the damage becomes so serious that somebody will have a re-think.
If any government, or section of it, seriously wants to address the issue of this virus, then they need to concentrate their efforts in areas where some good may be the result.
That means stopping 'lock downs' which simply kick the can down the road, ruining the long-term economy and livelihoods as a by-product.
Address the issues in the track and trace debacle.
Stop saying nonsense about 'beating the virus' - it's a non-sentient germ not an opposing army. However stirring and positive you hope these phrases sound, they are hollow and meaningless.
Start accepting that this virus is here, it is not going anywhere and we are going to have to learn to live with it, and not pretend we have the means to destroy it, which is more nonsense.
Two things lie in our future - either a vaccine that works and allows Covid to become something like flu, nasty, but we live with it, or the virus mutates into something harmless.
We have control of one, not the other, and that is the reality.
That means stopping 'lock downs' which simply kick the can down the road, ruining the long-term economy and livelihoods as a by-product.
Address the issues in the track and trace debacle.
Stop saying nonsense about 'beating the virus' - it's a non-sentient germ not an opposing army. However stirring and positive you hope these phrases sound, they are hollow and meaningless.
Start accepting that this virus is here, it is not going anywhere and we are going to have to learn to live with it, and not pretend we have the means to destroy it, which is more nonsense.
Two things lie in our future - either a vaccine that works and allows Covid to become something like flu, nasty, but we live with it, or the virus mutates into something harmless.
We have control of one, not the other, and that is the reality.
"Apologies all, I've really messed up here haven't I?! "
Not at all - as Naomi said: just a misunderstanding all round.
What worries me abour all this (the main issue at hand) is the confused thinking. In this instance I'm not sure if the Welsh government is desperately trying to defend the indefensible and in so doing getting its knickers (for want of being able to buy new ones) badly twisted.
When there's a general feeling that people are fed up with the restrictions, this doesn't help.
Not at all - as Naomi said: just a misunderstanding all round.
What worries me abour all this (the main issue at hand) is the confused thinking. In this instance I'm not sure if the Welsh government is desperately trying to defend the indefensible and in so doing getting its knickers (for want of being able to buy new ones) badly twisted.
When there's a general feeling that people are fed up with the restrictions, this doesn't help.
Apologies if I've missed the gist of this thread but my two pennorth is that supermarkets should not be allowed to sell clothes, shoes, etc that are non essential when shops specifically selling them have to close. Surely its more to do with the people browsing the items and extra staff being employed to run those departments. Food, groceries and everyday essentials are surely more important.
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