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OK OK so BAME people are more susceptible, how is that racist? Men are more susceptible to gout but that's ain't sexist is it? Is it just possible that BAME people are somehow more open to catching the virus? Does everything that is different for BAME people have to be racism?
OK OK so BAME people are more susceptible, how is that racist? Men are more susceptible to gout but that's ain't sexist is it? Is it just possible that BAME people are somehow more open to catching the virus? Does everything that is different for BAME people have to be racism?
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TTT - As has been pointed out, the entire premise of your post is not based on your link.
No-one, including Baroness Lawrence, is suggesting the simple impossibility - that a virus attacks individuals on the basis of their ethnicity, which is the definition of racism.
What she is saying is that poorer housing and lower paid jobs are a contributory factor, and that affects black and Asian communities, and that is a simple statement of fact.
If you want to stretch that into the incorrect conclusion that Baroness Lawrence is saying that racism is involved, then that's your fault, not hers.
No-one, including Baroness Lawrence, is suggesting the simple impossibility - that a virus attacks individuals on the basis of their ethnicity, which is the definition of racism.
What she is saying is that poorer housing and lower paid jobs are a contributory factor, and that affects black and Asian communities, and that is a simple statement of fact.
If you want to stretch that into the incorrect conclusion that Baroness Lawrence is saying that racism is involved, then that's your fault, not hers.
AH, 14:14, as a certain detective tells us, when you eliminate the impossible whatever is left, however unlikely must be the truth. All the other things she says that are reasons for the "racism" are not exclusive to BAME people, thus they are ruled out, logically until we are left with the inescapable conclusion that either the virus is racist or all the afore mentioned reasons are invalid.
danny - // AH //
What she is saying is that poorer housing and lower paid jobs are a contributory factor, and that affects black and Asian communities//
Which she quite plainly says is the result of racist discrimination. //
The distinction is fine, but still visible, and important.
Baroness Lawrence is saying that poorer housing and health care are contributory factors in the increased spread of the virus, which is a fact.
She is also saying that black and Asian communities are a sum of the families who make up those with poorer housing and health care, which is also a fact.
She is also saying that black and Asian people have been demonised for spreading the virus more that non-ethic groups, and that is also a fact.
But she does not link any of these facts in any way that suggests that virus gravitates towards ethnic minorities, because that would be nonsense.
A virus is indiscriminate, it will spread wherever it can get, but the factors advised increase the chances of infection, but that is because that is now a virus operates. To assume that the virus therefore targets different ethnic groups is utter nonsense.
You might was well say more white people drown in the sea every year, but that is because more of them swim in the sea, not because water singles them out for special adverse treatment.
What she is saying is that poorer housing and lower paid jobs are a contributory factor, and that affects black and Asian communities//
Which she quite plainly says is the result of racist discrimination. //
The distinction is fine, but still visible, and important.
Baroness Lawrence is saying that poorer housing and health care are contributory factors in the increased spread of the virus, which is a fact.
She is also saying that black and Asian communities are a sum of the families who make up those with poorer housing and health care, which is also a fact.
She is also saying that black and Asian people have been demonised for spreading the virus more that non-ethic groups, and that is also a fact.
But she does not link any of these facts in any way that suggests that virus gravitates towards ethnic minorities, because that would be nonsense.
A virus is indiscriminate, it will spread wherever it can get, but the factors advised increase the chances of infection, but that is because that is now a virus operates. To assume that the virus therefore targets different ethnic groups is utter nonsense.
You might was well say more white people drown in the sea every year, but that is because more of them swim in the sea, not because water singles them out for special adverse treatment.
TTT - // AH, 14:14, as a certain detective tells us, when you eliminate the impossible whatever is left, however unlikely must be the truth. All the other things she says that are reasons for the "racism" are not exclusive to BAME people, thus they are ruled out, logically until we are left with the inescapable conclusion that either the virus is racist or all the afore mentioned reasons are invalid. //
A nice try, but your point has no basis whatsoever.
Baroness Lawrence is making points based on evidence - it is you who is linking the points together in a way that does not stand up to scrutiny, not her.
A nice try, but your point has no basis whatsoever.
Baroness Lawrence is making points based on evidence - it is you who is linking the points together in a way that does not stand up to scrutiny, not her.
AH: "Baroness Lawrence is saying that poorer housing and health care are contributory factors in the increased spread of the virus, which is a fact." - So only BAME people are in that bracket??
"She is also saying that black and Asian communities are a sum of the families who make up those with poorer housing and health care, which is also a fact." - dunno what "a sum" means but again that is not exclusive to BAME people
"She is also saying that black and Asian people have been demonised for spreading the virus more that non-ethic groups, and that is also a fact." - agreed, they have been demonised and they do spread it more.
"But she does not link any of these facts in any way that suggests that virus gravitates towards ethnic minorities, because that would be nonsense." - No, many ailments historically effect certain ethic groups, sickle cell for example, we have no evidence that COVID does not have its own preferences.
"A virus is indiscriminate, it will spread wherever it can get, but the factors advised increase the chances of infection, but that is because that is now a virus operates. To assume that the virus therefore targets different ethnic groups is utter nonsense." - agreed it's not "targetting" we are talking about, it's the possibility that it more readily infects and thrives better in certain ethnic groups.
"She is also saying that black and Asian communities are a sum of the families who make up those with poorer housing and health care, which is also a fact." - dunno what "a sum" means but again that is not exclusive to BAME people
"She is also saying that black and Asian people have been demonised for spreading the virus more that non-ethic groups, and that is also a fact." - agreed, they have been demonised and they do spread it more.
"But she does not link any of these facts in any way that suggests that virus gravitates towards ethnic minorities, because that would be nonsense." - No, many ailments historically effect certain ethic groups, sickle cell for example, we have no evidence that COVID does not have its own preferences.
"A virus is indiscriminate, it will spread wherever it can get, but the factors advised increase the chances of infection, but that is because that is now a virus operates. To assume that the virus therefore targets different ethnic groups is utter nonsense." - agreed it's not "targetting" we are talking about, it's the possibility that it more readily infects and thrives better in certain ethnic groups.
TTT - // AH: "Baroness Lawrence is saying that poorer housing and health care are contributory factors in the increased spread of the virus, which is a fact." - So only BAME people are in that bracket?? //
No they are not, and she is not saying that they are.
// "She is also saying that black and Asian communities are a sum of the families who make up those with poorer housing and health care, which is also a fact." - dunno what "a sum" means but again that is not exclusive to BAME people //
No, it's not, and she is not saying that it is.
// "She is also saying that black and Asian people have been demonised for spreading the virus more that non-ethic groups, and that is also a fact." - agreed, they have been demonised and they do spread it more. //
Do you have a link to back up that assertion? If not, then that's repeating nasty gossip rooted in racist attitudes, that doesn;t make it a fact that ethnic groups spread the virus more easily because they are ethnic groups, there are other factors involved, obviously.
// "But she does not link any of these facts in any way that suggests that virus gravitates towards ethnic minorities, because that would be nonsense." - No, many ailments historically effect certain ethic groups, sickle cell for example, we have no evidence that COVID does not have its own preferences. //
We have no evidence that it does either. When there is a link you can provide that proves that Covid does have its own preferences, as you put it, and it is a proven fact, as it is with sickle cell, then you can make the point. Until then you are assuming, and guessing and concluding inaccurately, but I have to give you marks for consistency.
// "A virus is indiscriminate, it will spread wherever it can get, but the factors advised increase the chances of infection, but that is because that is now a virus operates. To assume that the virus therefore targets different ethnic groups is utter nonsense." - agreed it's not "targetting" we are talking about, it's the possibility that it more readily infects and thrives better in certain ethnic groups. //
But that is not what Baroness Lawrence is talking about!
If you want to start a thread with that as a premise, then fine, but you can't use Baroness Lawrence's quotes in your link because she is not talking about that aspect of the spread of the virus.
You have read, and I suggest not understood fully, the points Baroness Lawrence is making, and then used your conclusion to post your OP, and once again I have to point out, it is not a valid argument.
No they are not, and she is not saying that they are.
// "She is also saying that black and Asian communities are a sum of the families who make up those with poorer housing and health care, which is also a fact." - dunno what "a sum" means but again that is not exclusive to BAME people //
No, it's not, and she is not saying that it is.
// "She is also saying that black and Asian people have been demonised for spreading the virus more that non-ethic groups, and that is also a fact." - agreed, they have been demonised and they do spread it more. //
Do you have a link to back up that assertion? If not, then that's repeating nasty gossip rooted in racist attitudes, that doesn;t make it a fact that ethnic groups spread the virus more easily because they are ethnic groups, there are other factors involved, obviously.
// "But she does not link any of these facts in any way that suggests that virus gravitates towards ethnic minorities, because that would be nonsense." - No, many ailments historically effect certain ethic groups, sickle cell for example, we have no evidence that COVID does not have its own preferences. //
We have no evidence that it does either. When there is a link you can provide that proves that Covid does have its own preferences, as you put it, and it is a proven fact, as it is with sickle cell, then you can make the point. Until then you are assuming, and guessing and concluding inaccurately, but I have to give you marks for consistency.
// "A virus is indiscriminate, it will spread wherever it can get, but the factors advised increase the chances of infection, but that is because that is now a virus operates. To assume that the virus therefore targets different ethnic groups is utter nonsense." - agreed it's not "targetting" we are talking about, it's the possibility that it more readily infects and thrives better in certain ethnic groups. //
But that is not what Baroness Lawrence is talking about!
If you want to start a thread with that as a premise, then fine, but you can't use Baroness Lawrence's quotes in your link because she is not talking about that aspect of the spread of the virus.
You have read, and I suggest not understood fully, the points Baroness Lawrence is making, and then used your conclusion to post your OP, and once again I have to point out, it is not a valid argument.
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